“Nw it is time to enter into the questions of Devi.”

27 Jan Session I

Nw it is time to enter into the questions of Devi. Or i can cay, doubts of devi. not even questions of Devi, doubts of Devi. Question is too much, arrogance. Questioning itself is arrogance. Expressing that I have doubt is what is surrender. When you go with doubts, your problems are solved. When you go with questions, you get only answers. When you go with doubts, you get the experience. When you go with questions, you get only answers. When you bring questions, you come only with your intellectual portion. You think you are only your intellect. You think an answer can solve your problem. When you bring doubt, you bring your whole Being and you know that you dont know. You know only one thing - you want solution. You dont know anyting else. So you dont give brackets, you dont give preferences, you dont give suggestions. The first doubt of Devi is, 'Oh Shiva! what is your reality?' I think she must have been wonderstruck - seeing the multidimensional aspects of Shiva. People who live around me ask me, "Swamiji, actually who are you?" What is your reality? She mustve been wonderstruck. When you see something and you are in awe, which is too much, which you cant understand, the first question is, 'Oh! what is your reality?' Even with me, unless you come to that question, none of your questions are worthy. That is the first question that you can ever ask me. Only then you start relating with me. Before that, whatever questions you asked, it has nothing to do with you and me. It is from the lower chakras. Only when you feel this and ask this question...this question shows that Shiva was beyond the comprehension of Devi's intellect. She understands that she is not able to put him under any frame. No frame is working! I am not able to predict him, I am not able to grasp him. Shiva is such a wonderful personlality - multidimensional personality; everything playign beautifully into one Being. If you see him, he is the ultimate lover. The other side if you see him, he is the Master of death. If you see from muladhara, he is the ultimate lover. That is why we worship him in the form of a linga. Next, if you see from the svadhishtana, the fear, he is Miryunjaya - Halahala. He has destroyed Yama. he is the Halahala. If you see from swadhisthana, he is the ultimate again. If you see from manipuraka, he is the eternal peace. A great meditator in silence - drawn into the silence. He is just the embodiment of silence- sitting in Kailash. If you see from anahatha, he is the ulitmate beloved, embodiment of love, compasion and care. He comes down for the sake of the disciples. He goes to any extreme. For the sake of Sundara, one of his great devotees, he did even the job of wimp. He did the job of wimp for the sake of Sundara. In Chennai he did that job. Not even just once, second time also. The first time, Sundara wants to marry a girl and so Shiva goes to the girl and begs her, 'Please marry him. He is a good guy." he recommends. The girl says, "He is a good man but he is a womaniser; how can i marry him?" Shiva says, "No, i am guarantee, please marry him." Anyhow, she marries beause Shiva himself is giving the guarantee. But Sundara, you know - after two years, he started running around someone else. This girl curses him. But Shiva keeps quiet. He does not even to bother to tell him not to do these things. Sundara asks Shiva again, "Shiva, please come down. This second girl is here who is not agreeing to marry me." He simply comes down and goes to the second girl to represent Sundara. when he starts walking, Sundara tells him, "You are wearing chappals; she will think you are somebody big." In those days, when someone goes as a representative should not wear chappals and upper clothing. It was a custom those days. When you go to represent somebody, you go as his servant. So you should not wear upper clothing and sandals. They are considered as a second class citizen. That is why when the Pandavas lose their kingdom in the Kaurava Sabha, they are asked to remove their upper clothing. The second class citizens are not allowed to wear the upper clothing and the servants are not allowed to wear upper clothing and sandals. Even now, in some villages the custom is there. In front of the Master, they are not allowed to wear the upper clothing and sandals. They put the upper cloth on the hip and do the namaskar. So sundara tells Shiva and immediately Shiva removes the sandals and just walks without the sandal to go and represent Shiva. So it is the ultimate compassion - embodiment of ultimate compassion. If you see from the angle of Vishuddhi. he is the unique creator. You cant see anybody more unique than him. Incomparable. You cant compare him with anything. If you can put him under one frame, you can compare. But you cant put him in any frame. You can't say he is a Sanyasi, or a Samsari or a Brahmachari or a vagabond; becuase he is everything and something more! He is so perfect in every place. All vagabonds think that Shiva is their ideal because Shiva is the greatest vagabond. He goes all over the world and begs and eats from Devi. Annapurani gives the food for Shiva. all house holders think that Shiva is their idol, because he keeps Devi beside him and has two children - one fat fellow and one handsome guy - Ganesh and Skanda. He lives with a big family so all householders think that Shiva is their idol. All Sanyasis think that Shiva is their idol - Yogeshwara - completely merged in meditation. You can see al your aspects in full form in Shiva. From the agna if you see, he is the ultimate Energy - egoless Energy, egoless Being and enlightened soul. If you see from sahasrara, you cant see anyone else filled with more Bliss - Ananda Nataraja, continuously dancing - the expression of bliss. From any dimension when you see, you will the full form - something more than your so called idol. From a ny level if you erlate with him, he is more than what you can imagine; he is more than what you can visualize. When you live around a Master, either you become mad or you become enlightened - no other way. You cant escape, because he is such an Energy, he has got so many multidimensions. Either you understand and digest him and become enlightened or you get confused and become mad. That is why I tell people, if they are not qualified and dont want to become enlightened, better not to live around me, because you are taking a risk. BEcause, you cant get away from me. You cant get away from me. You can get away from something simple, but you cant get away from me. BEcause I am such a big Energy. NAturally after living a long time around Shiva, Devi must have felt that it is too much. She must have thought that either she will go mad or she should be cleared from these doubts. So in the awesome mood, she asks, 'Oh Shiva! what is your reality? Who are you?' When you ask, 'Who are you?' it is disrespectful. If you ask me, 'Who are you?', I can always tell you, 'Oh, I was born in Arunachala...' I can just give my biographical facts. But when you ask me what is my reality, I have to give the Truth. Fact is not Truth. If somebody asks who you are, you can always give your biographical facts. But if somebody asks you what is your reality, you cant say anything. If She had asked, 'Who are you?', Shiva would have delivered the Shiva MahaPurana - This is the time I appeared here; all these asuras are killed by me; this is my glory; i blessed all these devotees; i took care of all these people; this is my life. But She is so intelligent, she asked, 'What is yor reality?'. That is why the Shiva Sutras came out. she hit the right point. Throughout the cow's body, milk is available, but only through the udder you can get the milk. If you start masaging the horn or the ears or the mouth, what will you get? only saliva! Only when you massage the udder you get the milk. You are supposed to touch the right point, or you are supposed to ask the right question or you are supposed to raise the right doubt to get clear. She asks beautifully. 'What is yor reality?'

The next question - 'What is this wonder-filled universe?' This question shows the mentality of Devi. If we were supposed to ask, we would have asked, 'what is this universe?' never 'what is this wonder filled universe?' She asks 'what is this wonder filled universe?' means what? She is living with a child like innocence. For children, the universe is wonder filled because they dont have logic. They dont think that this was the same chair which was there yesterday. They dont think that this is the same room which they sat in yeaterday. They dont think that this is the same sun which they saw yesterday. They know the Truth - the sun is new, this room is new, this chair is new, I am also new, you are also new. Continuously you are changing; continuously you are getting updated. continuously you are moving. A Western philosopher syas, 'You cant step into the same river twice.' Why? Because the moment you put the second step, the water flows. But I tell you, you cant step into the same river even once, because the moment you put your feet adn it touches the ground, the water has already moved. By the time you travel from the water level to the ground level, the water has already moved. You cant even put your feet once in a river. Where is the question of twice! COntinuously Existnece is changing. If you trust that Existence changes and you also change, you can never get settled with your ego - which is nothing but a rigid mechanism. Only a person who is egoless can trust that the universe is changing and you are also changing. A person who is established in ego can never understand that that the universe is changing and you are also changing. The man who sells his time will never understand that the universe is changing because he will be caught in a routine. Not being caught in a routine is a basic discipline for enlightenment. If you are in a routine, you become so unaware that you stop believing, you stop realizing that Existence is changing, your life is changing and you are also changing. I have seen some government servants working for 30 years in the same office. They would not even have moved their table from one place to another place and they forget that their table can be moved and that the building does not have the table as an inbuilt system; that it is not an anchor. they forget that their table is movable. By and by they start believing their table is immovable. Even in your house, dont live with the same kind of furniture arrangement. Once in 2-3 months, change it. Once in 2-3 months, create a little bit of chaos. You will feel that you are living in a new house. Otherwise you will become dead. I have seen people - they will have 10 rooms, because of their habit, they would not have gone to the other eight rooms in 3-4 months in their house. You would not have gone to the extreme of garden in the last 2 years! You have a track - you get down from the car, go to the kitchen or to the bedroom, come back, and get into the car. You will live on a tack. The mind feels comfortable if it has got a definite system. If I had created a definite system, I would have had thousands and thousands of idiotic disciples. People ask, 'Swamiji, why have these rituals and worship become so popular even though they are very difficult and complicated, whereas meditation..'? Just understand one thing - If I tell people, for every Pournima or the next 12 months, go to the Arunachala temple and go around the hill, they will tell me, "Oh, you are Arunachala Himself Swamiji. Surely we will do." They go around without missing even a single month. If they miss one month, they themselves start again from first and don't feel satisfied until they finish it. They do it with so much of difficulty - 4 hours of hitting each other while walking! If I tell them to sit for half an hour and do Mahamantra meditation, they say, "Very difficult Swamiji, no time Swamiji." The rituals are so complicated and so difficult but they take it and do it. Anything that is definite can spread. In that they are definite. Even when they come back, nothing would have changed in them - except a little bit of leg pain; nothing else would have happened to them. But in mahamantra, they are not definite, they are not sure. Some personality change may happen. They are not sure of the outcome, it is a risk! Going into meditation is a risk. Going around the hillock, they know - they will have a little more leg pain that's all. But here, it is a risk. That is why people go to temples to see God. The temple Gods have become very popular because they don't speak; because they don't change your life; because they don't ask you to do something. You can do everything, all possible nonsense; just enter into the temple, pay 25 rupees and tell your name, address, your website address, your email ID and God will 'prasada siddi rasthu!'. In the end, 'ashtaishwarya prasada siddhi rasthu...' you will have the garland and the prasad and you will feel very happy. But here I will ask you - what are you doing? what is your life? There comes the trouble. Here if you come again and again, you will be forced to change your life trend becuase of this atmosphere or without even your knowledge, you may be inspired by me. WIthout even your awareness, you may be inspired by me. So there is a danger. Either consciously you have to change or unconsciously, you may start changing. Many people come and tell me, "Swamiji, nowadays we started talking like you - we say 'nalladu, nalladu!' We have started laughing like you! We have started behaving like you." Many people come and tell me. Many of your behaviours are coming in me. We start using your slang. We start behaving like you." It's such a danger. I am such a solid force that I may start penetrating you. So anything definite is safe. The most definite thing on planet earth is your tomb, your graveyard! You are definite about everything in your graveyard. The more and more you live with definition and security the more and more you are dying. The more you die, the more you live with definitions. You live with definite realities, with definite things only when you die. That is why, when you live with a definite track in your house, your house will have a vibration of a graveyard. Once in a while, dance in the main hall of your house - the space will be purified, the akasha, the chitakasha, the space will be purified. Once in a while play some kirtan, do a little bit of dance. That place will be associated with the memories. I assure you, your bedroom will always be associated with a nagging-like attitude. You enter into the bedroom, you will feel the sickness, because that is associated with those thoughts. Once in a while, shuffle the whole house. Have a small out-house, go and stay there. Don't have a clear frame. Change the furniture's directions, put this idol there, that idol here, so that your mind will not get stuck with a single attitude. If you find that someone is sitting in a sofa, the next time when you sit on it, consciously or unconsciosuly, the same mood will happen in you. You do not know. Have you seen - when you go in a car, the driver will be driving and you will be sitting. Suddenly you will say 'chi' with a dismmissing wave of your hand becuase you are thinking something and then you will start thinking of something else after this. Then you will be shocked that the driving is looking at you. What happens to you - you soemthing on the road which connects, creates or awakens some memory in you, which you do not want to cherish. Unconsciously, that memory is awakened. For example, you would have seen some furniture hoarding, advertisement of a paricular furniture. You would have seen the furniture in your enemy's house. Immediately, your mind unconsciously associates that and your memory goes to your enemy. Immediately, your mind gets disturbed by him and you think, 'I shouldn't think of this.' and you try to change your thought pattern. If you live with the same things, you will create a track of memory. You will have very less access to your own Being. Listen here, your mind and your house are one and the same. Your Being and your house are one and the same. If you don't live in your whole house, be very clear, you are not living with your whole memory. That very clearly proves that you are not living with your whole memory. People ask me, "How can you have access to so much of information Swamiji? It is mind boggling. So much of information coming out. So many quotations from Valluvar to Einstein, Buddha to Gita, Gurdjieef to Gurudwars. First of all, how can you store? Second, how are you able to access it? Even if we are able to store, we are not able to access it." Only when someone comes with a head ache, you remember all the headache medicines. Sometimes you forget and remember the stomach problem medicines! Suddenly yesterday, the Fox story came. Surely, I also have not read that story after the first standard. From where does it appear? There is a clear access to the memories created at the age of 4 and 5. How is this possible? How can this happen? Because I don't live on a particular track. I have no emotional attachment to a particular memory. A small story that happened - One guy used to read only philosophy books. He will go to the library regularly but he will go straight to the philosophy books, that is the only interest. After three years, he suddenly wanted to read some fictious novels. He goes and asks the librarian that he wants to read fiction. The librarian says, "Just in the next cupboard is fiction!" This man was shocked to understand that in the last three years, he has not even looked at it. You are also doing the same thing in so many places. Suddenly you will see that in the corner of your street, a big coconut is there! It is not that the coconut tree is teleported. You suddenly see it and think, 'I have never seen this!'. How many times have you experienced this? Many times! Even in your body, you will suddenly see a mole. Why to talk about the street? Suddenly in front of the mirror you will see that there is a new black mark in your body. Because the man was attached emotionally to that portion of the library, he forgot that other portions also existed.You reduce yourself when you choose.

27 Jan 05 Session II

Expressed by Devi - what constitutes seed? This one line is enough, I can speak till Shivarathiri! Because this is the ultimate doubt. All of you know u r atman. Atman is your true nature. You are the ultimate Energy. Whether you believe it or not, accept it or not, realise it or not, you are God. All of you know that. You have memorized it because again and again i repeat it. But you suffer. You have body and mind so you suffer. How and why and when does the atman become body and mind? When does it become body and mind? How, when, why the atman becomes body mind? How? When? come out with answers. When u chose? why did u choose? Because we have memories and desires. why did memories and desires come; they say atman itself is energy, enjoyment and bliss. why did it get some other desire? How did you become this person? By choice. Why was there choice. Due to karma. How did karma start? Because of previous births. How did the previous birth start. Because of poorva janma vasana. How did poorva janma vasanas start? Because of desires. How did desires start? Because of maya. How did maya start. Because of ignorance. How did ignorance start? It goes back to why the drama world started. How did the world start? Because God wanted to experience himself. You and Shiva are one and the same. Because of illusion. Why did the illusion start? How did the ignorance start? Shiva is playing. Why Shiva is playing? Because he wanted to amuse himself. Becuase he wanted to amuse himself? Then, if you are atmans, then you are possible amusements. Why do you want some more amusements? It means that you bored. Then how can you say you are atman, how can you say you are bliss? Then again the state you are going to reach, you will need some more amusements. Better you carry our amusement things! It goes back to why is there even physical life. That is what. Why? To understand the atman. Why should you understand the atman? You are already atman. To understand the atman. You were atman earlier, why should you experience atman? Because consciousness enters us. Why should consciousness enter you? Consciousness is supposed to be all pervading, omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. It goes back to the individual consciousness and super consciousness. That is what. Why is there individual consciousness and super consciousness? If we know the answer, why are we sitting here Swamiji? Swamiji, Energy is action. Energy is action?! New philosophy. Please dont start creating new philosophies. The next generation will start cursing you becuase they have to start reading one more philosophy. Becuase we forgot the past. Why did you forget the past? Because you scrambled there also? Becasue we forgot the expiereinces of the body and mind. How will you forget if you are the atman? Can you repeat the the question? Laughs... What constituets seed? You are basically atman. But you have suffering becasue of the body and mind. How did you become body and mind? Why should you have suffering? If you supposed to be atman, why do you suffer. The atman does not suffer, only the body and mind suffer. If you suffer, do you feel the suffering or not? Yes. Then how can you say that the atman is not suffering, if you are atman? Right now, i am as I am, associated with the body and mind. That is what - how did you get associated? We broke the link. How did you break the link? Like how you broke the bottle in my room? Becuase of desires Swamiji. How did you get desires. First of all, you are atman. How will you able to get other choices? Because in atman, only one thing exists and that is atman. Superconscious play. Superconscious play means what? With whom? with itself. How will you play with yourself? Energy and consciousnesss is there. It creates so much variety. So you say Energy and consciousness are two different things? No, they are together. They are together and create. How can they be together and not separate? Together means they must be two. Swamiji, its like two sides of the same coin. But it is coined as two sides, not one. In Atman, there are no two sides. there is only one, not even a side. Weve seen it as two. Consciousness and Energy are there. Creating. Just existing by itself is not fun. It creates itself. So you need some fun! What will it do just lying like that. Oh so you think Atman means just lying like that! Consciousness is there Swamiji. We are not talking about now, we are talking about from the beginning - the big bang, back hole. It has to express itself isn’t it? It is so full. When it has to express itself, it means it is not fulfilled when as it is, am i right? No Swamiji, it is so full that is has to express itself. When it is so full, where else will it express? where is the place for it to express? It has to express itself within itself - the differnet dimensions. It has different dimensions means lower dimension and higher dimension. Different levels Swamiji. Menas higher level and lower level? or two different levels? No Swamiji, thee is an atman (shows a circular plane). Like a dosai? Laughter. What size atman? It is filled with potentiality. In its own space, it expresses itself with so much variety and beauty. If it expresses iteself in some more variety and some more beauty, how can it be called as atman. Atman is ultimate fulfilment. There is nothing more or nothing else to happen. That is what is Atman. Swamiji, if we knew that, we would not be sitting here Swamiji! OK, now you know that you are sffering becuase of the body and mind. But you know that you are atman. So how did you become body and mind? If you know you are atman, your Self understanding, atmanepo, swayam jyothi, swayamprakasha. sudda chaitanya. But, till 54, did not know i was atman, i thought i was only body and mind. Only now, i know that i am atman. It means, till the age of 54, you were thinking that you were body and mind. After 54, you know you are only the atman. Now, how did the atman become body, mind? Swamiji, in Science, there is Energy. This Energy will dissipate in some means or crystallize. Yes, but Atman is full, no gap - it is full Energy. Then how will it dissipate or where will it crystallize? Or maybe it falls down in potential level. Then if there is a potential level and an actual level, then there must be two atmans. Same atman Swamiji. If it is the same atman, then how can it have two levels? Atman is supposed to be the same. But it has intelligence Swamiji. Yes, but intelligence, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, everything should be permanent. Swamiji, what is causing it to dissipate Energy, that is what is not found. That is what i am asking - what constitutes the seed? The dynamics changes. If there is a dynamic change, how can that be called as Ultimate? Swamiji, it is like the chicken or egg question. Chicken first or egg first. Egg only; from egg never chicken comes. Oh sorry! chicken only, from chicken, never egg comes, from hen only egg comes! I just missed the word. From chicken, never egg comes, from hen only egg comes. Swamiji, the question 'What consitutes the seed?' is ours. Ananda Eashwari asks the question. It is a doubt. Alright! Anybody else has got nay other answers? Swamii, did Shiva do this to Devi before giving her the answer? YOu see, after she became Devi she asked this question. She was already Devi. But i have to make you all Devi. After becoming Devi, she asked this question Swamiji. Then what do we know. This is too much! YOu see, becuase she was Devi she asked these questions, but you guys are giving answers becuase you think you are Shiva! If you realy felt you are Devi, the moment i put this question, you would have said, no, no, we dont know, please give the answer. But Swamiji, that's what we said, but you kept saying no, no tell the asnwer. That is what i will do, but you should be very clear that you dont know. We tried. Yes, you tried. Becasuse you asked we tried. Even if i ask...see, for example, a small thing - If I ask you, who are all sitting in the office now, what will you answer? You dont know. Swamiji, i will go and find out. No, no, going and finding out is a different thing. YOu should sit here and answer. I would have told that i dont know Swamiji. Yes, you would not have said, 'maybe five people maybe ten people right?' Swamiji, thats because once i said i dont know, you would not have asked again. But now you asked again and again, so we tried! Swamiji, we thought that you are coming in our minds to give the asnwer, so we tried. Laughs. Swamiji, you just wanted to have some fun, thats all. No ma! I just wanted you to understand that this is the ultimate question. which cannot be asnwered. This is a doubt which cannot be answered, only experience can be given as the reply. The moment you try to answer this question, you create a new philosophy. Now i come ot the quesiton. Who all tried to answer this question (people raise their hands). No, no, not here. Who all tried to answer in the early times. There were many idiots who tried to answer it from times. Who all tried to answer this question created new philosophies. The list of fools who tried to answer this question starts from Sri Adi Shankara and comes step by step to Pathanjali and then goes to Buddha, Mahavir, Jesus, Chaitanya, Krishna - one by one a big list. Actually, all these guys have only become different kinds of religions. These religions have done more damage to Planet Earth than their so called service. In the last 3000 years, 5000 religious wars have been fought on Planet Earth. You may be shocked to listen to all these Truths but listen carefully. I am speaking based on facts not hypotheses. In the last 3000 years, 5000 religious wars have been fought on Planet Earth because all these people tried to answer this question intellectually. They should have been very clear - either by experience you know or you don't know. But when you try to answer intellectually, you cretae a philosophy and followers who start fighting with the other Masters' followers. Rama and KRishna never had a problem. But Rama's monkeys and Krishna's goats always had a problem. Shiva and Rama never had a problem. But Shiva boothas and Rama's monkeys always had a problem. WHomsoever tried to answer this question intellectualy created one dakshana, one philosophy, one sutra, one religion. Anybody who tried to answer this question created a big mess on Planet Earth. because this is the basic question. Here Shiva, the ultimate enlightened Master never answered this question. He never answers this question. He just gives the technique for you to experience. YEsterday I had a fight with Amma (points to a lady disciple sitting near him). I told her that she was my mother in a previous janma. She asked which janma. I told her that in some one janma. She asked, "Were you enlightened in that janma?' I said 'Yes'. Then she asked, "Then if you say you were enlightened, then for seven generations up and seven generations down, you say that your parents will be liberated. Then why have i not become enlightened or liberated? You have not done your homework properly." I told her, "No, no, at that time i was not enlightened. After getting enlightened, i came to know that i was enlightened even at that time." She says, 'No, you are giving me reasons. Now come out and give me the clear reason, clear logical answer. If I was your mother and if you were enlightened at that time, then why was i not liberated? Why do i have to come down once again?" I told her, "No, at that time i was not enlightened. Only after becoming enlightened now, i came to know that i was enlightened in the past, present and in the future. Do you understand this concept?" No Swamiji. That was the fight that was going on yesterday. The question remains as question. Unless you experience, the question will remain as a question, becuase for you, the past, present and future exist, but for me the past present and future do not exist. It has just fused. For you it exists becuase it exists. The moment the thoughts fall down in the time shaft, there will be no past and future. When there is no past and future, how can you use the word present? That means we can also be like you? Yes! The moment you create past and future, present happens. Unless you experience the zone where past, present and future do not exist, you will never understand that there is a zone where past, present and future do not exist. For example, can you explain the ASP experience to a person who has not done it? How much ever you try, what will you say finally? 'We all danced!'. You will give only a wrong idea. You will only misrepresent me. You will give only the wrong idea. This small ordinary experience, if you say that unless you experience you can't understand, how can i reply to this question - such a huge experience? This question can never be intellectually replied to. You can only be given a technique for you to experience and start speaking in the same way that i am speaking now. Swamiji, actually in Physics, the nearest thing to this is, when you start traveling in the velocity of light, time comes to stand still. Actually, when you reach the intensity of velocity of light, time actually comes to a standstill. It freezes. Traveling in the speed of light means, you reach beyond visualization. All your visualization is only light. You visualize only with different lights. High beam light is white and low beam light is black. Colours are nothing but the play of light - different frequensies of light. So, when you reach a state beyond visualization - menas no-mind state, you don't have time. This is what i say - Mano theetha, kala theetha - when you go beyond mind, you go beyond time. Anyhow, now understnad this question - what constitues seed? Actually, if this one questions is understood, all 'sat dakshanas' you will understand; in this one question. Pathanjala and Sankhya, Gnaya and Vaiseshitha, Purvamimamsa ad Uttaramimamsa. Six philosophies are there in Bharat - major philosophies. All these six philosophies you will understand if you understand this one question. People have tried to answer these six questions from six levels - from six chakras again. The seventh guy - the sahasrara - he gave the experience, never the answer. He never opened his mouth. These six guys who are established in six levels tried to give six different explanations. Swamiji, will this take care of Western philosophy also. Yes. All Western philosophies are nothing but by products of these six major philosophies. Now let me come out - what constitutes seed? what is the karana for everything? The first level people who are caught in the muladhara, when they tried to answer, their answer is what is Karmakananda - Do homa, yagna and rituals - you will get this. They are established in desires, kama. Muladhara. What is the solution? Pour ghee in the homa and pray to God, you will get the benefits, the rewards. Karmakanda, kama - satisfying your desires. Do this homa, you will have heaven there. When people caught in muladhara try to answer this question, they put karma as a karana for the whole Jagath. That is why it is called Karmakananda. If you have a little bit of background of these philosophies, you enjoy this session! Because i am bringing the whole gist into a line. People caught in the muladhara say that karma is the ultimate. They say, do this homa, you will get that. That is what is called Poorvamimamsa, karmakandis. They say that heaven is the ultimate and the karana to reach heaven is homa, over. This is their answer. Next is, swadhishtana guys. Fear. They gave the answer - Vedanta - Uttaramimamsa. That is why the katopanishad is from Vedanta; swadhishtana meditation is from Vedanta. The people who are caught in the swadhishtana chakra, in Vedanta - their answer to this question is fear; They are Vedantins. That is why they delivered the Upanishads - to go beyond fear. NExt are the people who are caught in manipuraka. They came out with a philosophy - Gnaya. Thailadara pathra or pathradara thaila - logic. Actually your logic originates from manipuraka only. From manipuraka only your words originate. The words come out only from manipuraka - Darthashastra. They say words are the reason; words are the karana. That is why the bible says, 'From sound only the whole universe came out.' Om ithi Brahma. Om ithyekaksharam Brahma. Gnaya - for them the ultimate is words - Gnayis. They say from the word only the whole world came out. People who are centered in manipuraka. They are the worshippers of Brahma. That is why Brahma is always depicted as the person who came out of the nabi of Vishnu. From the manipuraka of Vishnu cane Brahma. Vishnu means what exists. Sarvam Vishnumayam Jagath means what is is Vishnu. From the navel of the universe came Brahma. Logic. That is why Brahma is never resepected in our philosophy. Brahma means logic - Saraswathi.Saraswathi itself is sitting in his tongue. Logic. The people wo are caught in the manipuraka try to answer this question - 'what constitutes seed?' Their answer is logic. Logic is everything. Gnaya is everything. If you learn a little bit of gnaya, you will have so much of ego. That is why Brahma is described as the embodiment of Ego in our Puranas. Once Vishnu and Brahma started fighting as to who was greater. Shiva appeared as a light pillar - Deeba sthamba or Arunachala. He said, 'If one of you try to find either my feet or my head, you are the greater person." Both of them decided to search. Vishnu becmae a pig (varaha) and started digging the earth. He went on digging and digging. Brahma became an hamsa and started flying. He flew and flew upwards. After 1000s of years, Vishnu was totally tired and decided that it was time to surrender. He took a bell and tied it around the leg of Shiva. In all Shiva's statues, you will see that there is a bell around his leg. It signifies that Vishnu was abe to travel only upto that place. Brahma was flying when he suddenly saw a thazhamboo (a flower). HE caught it and asked, "Where are you from?" It answered, "One devotee offered me to Shiva. Shiva, instead of keeping me on his hair kept me on his ears. I fell down from there and i am still falling; i have not reached the ground. Brahma asked, "How long have you been flying?" The flower replied, "Oh! I have been flying for four ages of BRahma." BRahma was totally frightened. ChaturBrahmaYuga. One age of Brahma is one Brahma Yuga. ChaturBrahmaYuga. Brahma was totally shaken. He thought to himself - if I travel for chaturbrahmayuga, i will only reach the ears of Shiva, not his jada (hair). He asked the thazhambu, "Can you do me a favour?" The thazhambu asked what it was. Brahma said, "I will tell Shiva that i have seen his head. You be a witness to it." The thazhambu thought to itelf, "Anway, i am falling, What is there in this. I will be a witness." It agreed. When a disciple tries to help anothee disciple against the Master, he does the same thing. If a disciple does a mistake, and you thing - let me not tell this to Master, let me support him, out of compassion, you do this same mistake, what the thazhambu has done. The thazhambu has no income, it has nothing to gain by witnessing Brahma. It thought, "Poor guy, he has to suffer, i can after all help him." The moment you think this way for another disciple, you do this same mistake. YEsterday thats what these idiots have done. SOme guy wanted to eat. The others thought, what is there after all, et me show my compassion...YOu should your compassion in your ashram, not in my ashram! not in the place where i made the rules. YOu should show your compassion to your disciples. not to my disciples. Anyhow, both of them agreed and they came down. BRahma said, "I have seen your head." AS if SHiva doesnt know. From his ear only this flower is falling but it forgets that Shiva knows everything. He was falling for a long time so he lost touch with Shiva! What happened after that you know. Shiva cursed Brahma that he will never have any temples and he cursed the thazhambu that it will never be used for his worship. When you try to give your compassion to another disciple against me, you will also have this same trouble. Even in the name of compassion, dont cross the rules of the MAster. , the discipline of the Master, the words of the Master. This is the story.Now, we have any things to learn from this story. Who is Vishnu? He is he husband of Lakshmi - wealth. He is the representative of wealth. Who is Brahma? He is the husband of Saraswathi - representative of knowledge or intellect. You must undertand one basic Truth. Neither by intellect nor by knowledge you can achieve Bliss. Neither by intellect nor by knowledge you can achieve God. YOu cannot reach the ultimate through wealth or through intellect. Seocnd Truth - if you ttry to achieve through wealth, sometime you will have success of depression and will end up having some intelligence. There is a chance that you may be saved. When you try to achieve through wealth, at some time, say when you are fifty, after tou have everything that you wanted to hav, you will face success of depression and there is a possibility that that you will turn towards God. There is a possibility that you will surrender. But if you work in the path of intellect, you will never be saved. When you go thorugh wealth, you will at least be abe to say, "I can't, I'm done, enough!" But when you try to go through the intellect, not only will you not be able to achieve, you will try to get a witness to show that you have achieved. Rituals are the false witnesses brought by the people who have worked in the line of knowledge to achieve but who have not achieved the ultimate Truth. Rituals are the thazhambus. They have not achieved, but they wanted to show people that they have achieved. Thye use the false witnesses and the wrong techniques. Wrong rituals. When rightly done, ritual itself will become a meditation. Every pooja starts with dhyana. When wrongly done, meditation itself will become a ritual. Wrong techniques and wrong philosophies have been brought in by the people who tried to achieve through intellect but couldn't achieve. All these sat dakshanas are the thazhambus brought down by different people. The people who have not achieved, not only have not achieved but also don't agree that they have not achieved. The third lesson - flying high is Rajas, going low is Tamas. Neither Rajas nor Tamas can lead you to Bliss or God. Brahma is the representative of logic or Gnaya. It is a complete aniyaya. Gnaya is compete aniyaya. The people who are caught in the manipuraka give logic or gnaya as a solution. They say that if you are a great Dargi, if you can conquer anybody, you know the solution. Conquering is the solution. That is why it goes on changing from time to time and place to place and Darga has no end. Darga is the gnaya. Darg - logic, debate have no end.

Choicelessly you are enlightened. Choicelesness is Bliss. Whenever you choose, you choose only suffering; becuase choosing itself is suffereing. The very choosing itself is suffering. Whenever you are in choicelesness, you are in bliss. Choicelesness is bliss, choosing is suffering. Swamiji, please enlighten us as to what is your reality. Laughs....Now i have to give the whole Shiva Sutra. For that question only Shiva gave the Shiva Sutra. Now i have to give the whole Shiva Sutra. Wait and listen. For getitng the answer for this, the eligibility is that we should become Uma. Yes, ofcourse. But now i tell you - I will make you Uma and make you enlightened. The job is not a big deal. Laughs. Somehow, when a person does something wrong, I become aware of it no? There is no specific time or place - I just come to know of it no? Yes Swamiji, somehow when we we do something that we are not supposed to do, even if we try to cover it, you come to know of it. Last night, what has happened - I went to my quarters. The brahmacharis were under the assumption that as always I would not not come out once I go into my quarters in the night, and so they went into the kitchen and took out all the sweets and started a session of eating. The rule of the ashram is that, except at the time of the main meals, no one should eat anything, because the volunteers at the kitchen will then start having continuous work of cleaning etc. During the time of meals, they are allowed to have anything they like. In any case, I don't eat much of what is brought in, only the boys eat it. Correctly last night, I entered the kitchen at that time. The food is there for them to eat; who else is going to eat it? But they disobeyed a rule. The deed by itself is not wrong, the attitude is what is wrong. They got caught! They would not have dreamt that Swamiji would walk in at 1am. Somehow, correctly they get caught. Even if they don't get caught by directly making mistakes, they get caught by simply being present when there is a mistake being done. That is what is called Energy Field. Energy field is something inside which nothing wrong can happen, nothing that will miss the eye. These boys have a tight bond between. Thye will never leak things out to me. Even if 10 of them get together and do something wrong, the news will never reach me. Inspite of this, I am correctly there when they do it! You see from the helicopter Swamiji. No, I see from satellite!