“Participant : Swamiji, I’ve got a question.”

Participant : Swamiji, I’ve got a question. When the Ananda Gandha opens, we are full of joy and ecstasy. So you’re coming on physical body on us, and feel like you know I am imitating you, what should I do?

SPH: Ah nothing’s wrong. In the beginning it will start happening. The presence of the Master is so strong. I have always seen “na maadada ella nallada nallada pesru arambhichittanga Everybody has started speaking My language. Everybody has started picking up My language. Everybody has started moving, moving the hands and everything automatically and, and, and so much has started happening. So in the beginning, it will start happening, don’t bother. Let it happen.

Participant : Even your face, hair, drinking, everything is something like you know I am imitating you...

SPH: So naturally it starts happening. If it starts happening, don’t bother. Relax. And automatically when it is necessary, it will disappear.

And imitating Master is a sort of wonderful way to Enlightenment, continuously you remember him. Actually, the Master moves in the zero TPS, so there is a special grace. It is not even a beauty, be very clear, grace. It’s a grace. Nothing is arranged. Everything is so spontaneous. It’s such a grace, automatically your heart gets attracted. You see, everyone of you want to go to that zero TPS. Everyone of you have a deep yearning for the zero TPS because zero TPS is bliss. So all your search is nothing but zero TPS. So when a man acts from that zero TPS, naturally you start imitating him. You start imitating him. Simply, without even your knowledge you start imitating him. So, naturally you fall into zero TPS. There are guys who act, act from hundred TPS, all actors I think thousand TPS. So when you imitate them where will you end up? You will end up only with the thousand TPS. You will try to have same like a bike, same everything, all the things and you will try to do the same thing, you will end up only in the thousand TPS. When you imitate a guy who is acting from the zero TPS, naturally you fall into the zero TPS. Your hero decides your path and your goal and your end. Your hero decides your path, your goal and your end.

Participant : Swamiji, shall we say that scientists, great scientists, their TPS was low?

SPH: For that one moment, and without their knowledge, they fell into the low TPS again they are thrown out. They didn’t stay there, that’s what I call satori.

Participant: Like Einstein

SPH: Hum, One glimpse, Newton one glimpse.

Participant : It’s all something and they noted it down.

SPH: Noted it down. Not even, there is not even a zero TPS. They fall only to forty TPS level. That’s all. Zero TPS, you’ll see, you’ll know the whole science ot the Universe. Zero TPS means you would have produced a master philosophy. You wouldn’t have produced such a idiotic theory which can kill the whole humanity.

Participant : It’s not complete Swamiji. It’s not complete.

SPH: And moreover, when he has reproduced the formula also, he would have reproduced the formula which will only help the society, humanity. You see, Buddha reproduced the formula Vipassana. It can never hurt anybody. It can never hurt anybody. But Einstein’s formula can hurt. The possibility of hurting itself shows the formula is not hundred percent. It’s only the intellect, not intelligence.

Participant : Swamiji, When he invented, he didn’t implement for a negative...

SPH: No, no, no, even the possibility, even that gate if it is kept open, it’s not complete intelligence. Buddha closed all the possible negative gates, you understand? Even the future possible negative gates should be, will be locked by intelligence.

Participant: When a great master was there then why he can’t prevent those negative things to be happen?

SPH: Ah, you see, one thing, preventing negative things are different. When you produce formula, that itself, that time itself doing is different. The one, just see. Now, for example, the negative formula is created and the process is also done. Now the product is ready to be launched. Then stopping is very difficult. Because already it has riped. It has became a fruit. You see, when it has become a fruit, it’s naturally difficult. But in the seed, seed, the small growth, the small thorny bush can be destroyed. But can it become, can it be destroyed if it become a big tree. It can’t be destroyed if it becomes a big tree. So this formula’s also, if it is in a very seed level, the producing time itself it would have been destroyed. But when it becomes a seed, when it becomes a big tree, now, so much of energy is necessary to destroy. Come out with the question.

Participant : Formula was invented after Buddha’s ...

SPH: But Buddha was not physically alive that time.

Participant : As a enlightened master he could have stopped whatever is going to happen in the future like...

SPH: You’ve said that that time itself he could have stopped the Einstein’s happening. But every, every individual has got a total freedom. You see, people ask Me, “Swamiji, why don’t you change my mind and make you as disciple?” And so many people, especially all these wives come and tell Me, “Please Swamiji, do something to my husband and make him your disciple.” I can’t do that. I can’t do that. I can’t interfere in his freedom. You see, God gives you the freedom to be in bondage. Please be very clear. Even bondage is your choice. If the freedom also is forced upon you, it’s not a freedom, again bondage. You have a freedom to be in bondage or to be in freedom. So freedom or bondage is your choice. I can’t interfere. Somebody asked Buddha, “You know enlightenment is a great thing, why don’t you give enlightenment to everyone?” He said, “Who wants? Bring them.” Who wants? Nobody. So, it is your choice. God never interferes in your freedom. He gives you the freedom to be in bondage. It’s your choice.

Participant: Swami, that is the reason why disaster like tsunami and all cannot be prevented?

SPH: Yes, it’s a collective negativity. When it become too much, Earth nullifies itself.

Participant : Swamiji, this is really a universal theory of spirituality.

SPH: Yes

Participant : Not theory, theory means that..

SPH: You see, theory is a word, dead word. Philosophy is a dead word. Philosophia, Darshana. Darshana means what I have seen. Philosophy means what I thought.

Participant: Intellect

SPH: Philosophy is what I think. Darshana is what I’ve seen. So this is a Darshana, we can call it Nithya Darshana. Nithya Darshana.

Participant: And that does not have an English word Swamiji.

SPH: No, Darshana don’t have English word because in English, no Darshan, no Rishi happened. No Rishi happened. Nobody who has, who had the Darshana happened. You see in Tamil there is no word for tsunami because tsunami never happened in Tamil Nadu. Throughout the history, the tsunami never happened in Tamul Nadu. So there is no word for tsunami. They’re using the same word tsunami. There is no word because it has never happened. So, there is no word for Darshan because Darshan never happened in that area. All happened is philosophy, philosophy. Only the intellectual theories. Suppositions, not actually Tathātā. Darshana means Tathātā.

Participant: This sounds very simple, but in practice, I know that I, many people have resistance to lowering the TPS.

SPH: To lowering the TPS? Then live with high TPS itself, enjoy, that’s all. Nothing more can be done. There is no need to bother. You see, in the practical and theory, it is simply simple. It is simply simple. The moment you say it is not simple, you try to make it complicated. One more TPS. That’s all. One more TPS.

Participant: The materialistic world is high TPS, really Swamiji.

SPH: No, in the high TPS, you are in materialistic world. When you have low TPS, same world, but not materialistic. You are not materialistic. The same M.G Road is there, kids hang around everyday night but none of us go there. It’s not that we become, we entered in a different world, same world, everything is same. But we are only not going, that’s all.

Participant: Swamiji, we are just witnessing or observing the thought, that finishes the thoughts, the TPS comes down.

SPH: Ah, yes TPS simply falls down.

Participant: Swamiji, you said that while penetrating, if you are able to stay there for 11 Kshanas. So one Kshana itself is the gap between the...

SPH: And it means, it means the, actually, to tell you honestly, by eleven Kshanas, when you start staying, the kshana concept will disappear. Just to give you an idea, at eleven Kshana, twenty one Kshana, means more time. That’s all. Actually, when you come to zero TPS, there cannot be any kshana. How can there be gap between one thought and the other thought? That’s all.

Participant: Swamiji, in practical terms Swamiji, “staying there” means remaining aware of the thoughts?

SPH: Relaxed. Yes “aware”. When you become totally aware of thoughts. When you, all your energy is, becomes a witness, there is no more thoughts. When you intensely witness thoughts will not be there. Because where is the energy to think? You’ll be totally a witness.

Participant: What about greatest musicians,Swamiji?

SPH: Ah, their TPS falls down.

Participant: Swamiji, when You say you witness your thoughts, it is actually our mind which is witnessing the thought itself, right?

SPH: Witness, the witness itself.

Participant: So the mind is still present?

SPH: No, but when you start witnessing, the mind will not be there. Whenever you forget witnessing, only the mind will start moving. It’s like you play the double game, Ma. Ma, When you start witnessing, you play the game of the mind and you. It’s like you sit in a chair and start, sit in this chair and speak. Like, you take a subject and you sit in this chair and speak for the subject. You sit in that chair and speak against the subject, and tac, tac, tac, tac, tac, tac, tac, tac. That is the game now you’re doing. When you start witnessing, slowly you will stop moving to that chair. You will just become this chair. Naturally, you will see.

Participant: but then who are you here, as a witness?

SPH: Ah, that, that you don’t bother.

Participant: That, that is still a different identity.

SPH: The, the witness is what is energy. You became nobody. You become Nithya. You just become Nithya. Witness intensely, witness the witness.

Participant: Sometimes during the NSP meditation, it is an intense… \<inaudible\> The experiences were fantastic. But at the same time it was as though we were seeing it from the outside.

SPH: That is what

Participant: But does that mean that my mind is still active and viewing that experience?

SPH: Ah, your mind active and viewing. You see, viewing is not your mind. Viewing is your being. Acting is your mind.

Participant: So that experience is being witnessed by my Being, reflected by my Being..

SPH: Means your, the, you, you experienced that you are witnessing. That is the real experience, ultimate experience.

Participant: So, it’s not that you forget everything.

SPH: No, no.

Participant: Is that what is called as Zen Master’s one hand clapping?

SPH: Yes, one hand clapping, frog jumped in that pond, flopped, everything is this only. Where, sound of the... No, sound of a bamboo, not bamboo, sound of a bamboo.

Participant: Koans are supposedly to reduce your...

SPH: Koans are nothing but just breaking you, pushing you straight from hundred to zero.

Participant: NSP breaks what you give us, similar to Koans? What you ask us to make plays and say now you are going to play like this ?

SPH: No, it is not exactly like a Koan. It’s a different, you can call it Nithya Koans. That’s all.

Participant: But the thought reduces.

SPH: Ah yes, thoughts comes down, Nithya Koans

Participant: It is supposed, it is supposed to increase but it comes down.

SPH: Nithya Koans

Participant: Swamiji, when you think of your being, it comes from the Ananda Gandha, is that where your Atman..

SPH: Yes Ananda Gandha is, is where you and Me are straightaway connected. (13:59)