Experience is all you need

Here Shiva, The Ultimate Enlightened Master never answer this question. He never answers this question; just gives the technique for you to experience. Just he gives a technique to, technique for you to experience.

Yesterday I had fight with Amma. She was asking Me that I told her once that you are My mother in some one janma.

Now she is demanding, “Which janma?”

I said “Some one janma.”

She asked Me, “Are you Enlightened at that janma or not?”

I said, “Yes, I was Enlightened.”

“Then you say… if you are supposed to be enlightened, you say that once you become enlightened all your forefathers, mother-father, they are liberated, seven generations up and seven generation down. Then why have I not become enlightened? Why I have not been liberated? You have not doing your homework properly.” 😃

And I said, “No, no, no, no, no, that time I was not enlightened. After enlightenment I came to know I was enlightened even at that time.” She says, “No, you are giving reasons; now come out, give me the clear reason. Clear logical answer. If I was your mother, if you were enlightened that time, then how did you, why you didn’t liberate me? Why I have to come down once more?”.

I said, “No, that time I was not enlightened. Only when I became Enlightened now I know I was enlightened in the past, present and the future. Can you understand this concept?

Participants: No

SPH: That is what fight was going on yesterday. That question remains as question. Unless you experience, the question will remain as question; because for you, the past, present and future exists. For Me, the past, present and future does not exist...it has just fused.

Participant: (Inaudible)

SPH: Because you think it exists. Because you think it exists, it exists.

Participant: It is like the time shaft….(Inaudible)

SPH: Same. The moment you are relaxed with time shaft, the present moment, you have no past and future and naturally when there is no past and future, how can you use the word ‘present’?

Participant: That means she can also be like You……(Inaudible)

SPH: Yes. The moment you create, past and future, present happens; past, present and future. Unless you experience the zone in which the past, present and future does not exist, you will never be able to understand there is a zone called past, present and the future does not exist.

For example, can you explain the ASP experience to a person has not done? How much you try, what you will say finally? We all danced. Only you will give wrong idea. You will only misrepresent Me, you will only give a wrong idea. Can you say anything else? This small ordinary experience you say ‘unless you experience you can’t understand.’ How can I say such a huge experience? How can I reply this question?

Participant: Because You are Shiva!

SPH: This question can never be intellectually replied. You can only give a technique so that you will also experience and start speaking in the same way as I am speaking now.

Participant: Nearest thing in physics is, if you are travelling at the velocity of light. Time comes to a standstill.

SPH: Actually when you reach the intensity of velocity of light, time actually stand still, it freezes, it freezes. Travelling in the speed of light means you have reached beyond visualisation. All your visualisation is light. You visualise only with different lights: High beam light - white, low beam light - black. Only the colours are nothing but the way of lights, frequency of lights. So when you reach the state beyond visualisation, means no mind state, you don't have time. That is what I say Mano Atita, Kalaatita. Over. When you go beyond mind, you go beyond time: Mano Atita, Kalaatita.

Anyhow now understand this question: ‘What constitutes seed?’ What constitutes seed? Actually if I explain this one concept, all the shad darshanas you will understand in this one question. Shad darshana. Patanjala, Sankhya, Sankhya and Patanjala, Nyaya and Vaisheshika, Purva Mimamsa and Uttara Mimamsa - Six philosophies are there in Bharat, the major philosophies. All the six philosophy you will be able to understand if you understand this one question. People have tried to answer this same question from six level, six chakras again. The seventh guy, the sahasrara, he gave experience, never answer, never opened the mouth.

This six guys who are established in six level, they try to give six different explanations.

Participant: This will take care of western philosophies also

SPH: Yes, all the western philosophies are byproducts of this six, nothing else. Now let Me come out. ‘What constitutes seed?’ What is the karana for everything? The first level, the people who are caught in the muladhara, they tried to answer; their answer is what is Karmakāṇḍa - Do homa, Yajna, ritual, you will get. Established in desire, Kāma - muladhara. What is their solution? Pour ghee in the homa, pay the Gods, you will get the benefit, rewards. Karmakāṇḍa. Kama - satisfying your desires. Karmakāṇḍa - Do this Homa you will have the heaven there. Do this… the people who are caught in the Muladhara, when they tried to answer this question, they put karma as a karana for the whole jagat. Karma as a karana for whole jagat; that is why it is called Karmakāṇḍa. If you have a little bit of this, background of this philosophies, you will enjoy this whole session, because I am the bringing the whole gist into a line.

People who are orientated on the muladhara level, caught in the muladhara, they say, Karma is ultimate. Do this Homa, you will get that. Do this you will get that. Karmakāṇḍa. Purva Mimamsa, that is what is called Purva Mimamsa. Karmakāṇḍis. They say heaven is ultimate; to reach the heaven, karana for heaven is homa. Over. Their answer.

Then next swadhisthana guys - Fear. They gave the answer - Vedanta - Uttara Mimamsa. That is why the kathopanishad is from Vedanta. Swadhisthana meditation is from Vedanta. Kathopanishad is from Vedanta. Swadhisthana meditation is from Vedanta. People who are caught in the swadhisthana chakra, their answer for this question ‘what constitutes seed’, is fear. Vedantis. That's' why they delivered upanishads to go beyond the fear, to go beyond the fear. That is why our vedantic meditation is from, our swadhistana meditation is from vedanta.

Next, people who are caught in the manipuraka. They came out with a philosophy called Nyaya. Tailadhara patra or patradhara taila - logic. Actually your logic originates from manipuraka only. From manipurka only your logic originates. Your words come out only from manipuraka. Tarka shastra. They say words are the reason. Words are the karana. That is why Bible says, from sound the whole universe came out. Om Mihit Brahma Om itye aksharam brahma. Nyaya - for them the ultimate is word. Nyayis - the ultimate is word. They say, from the word, whole world came out. People who are centered in manipuraka. They are the worshipers of Brahma. That is why Brahma is always depicted as a person who came out of nabhi of Vishnu. From Vishnu's Manipuraka... Vishnu means what exists. Sarvam Vishnumayam Jagat means…. vishnu means what? What IS, is Vishnu. So from the navel of the universe, came Brahma. Logic. That is why Brahma is never respected in our philosophy; he is never worshipped.

Brahma means what? Logic, Saraswati. Who is... Saraswati herself is sitting in his tongue. Logic. From manipuraka. The persons who are established in manipuraka, they try to give answer for this question - ‘What constitutes the seed?’ Their answer is logic. Logic is everything, nyaya. Nyaya is everything. And if you learn little bit of nyaya, you will have so much of ego. You will have so much of ego. That is why Brahma is always described as embodiment of ego in our puranas. Brahma is always described as a embodiment of ego in all puranas.

There is a beautiful story. Once Shiva appeared as a light pillar. Brahma and Vishnu started fighting, you are big or I am big. Shiva appeared as a light pillar - Deepa stamba - Anurachala, and told, “Any of you try to find out either my feet or my head, then you are the great person.” Both of them have decided to search. Vishnu, he became a pig, Varaha, and started the digging the earth. Taga taga taga taga taga digging digging digging digging, digging, went on digging.

Brahma, he became a hamsa and started flying. Flying, flying, flying, flying, flying, went on flying. After thousands and thousands of years when Vishnu was totally tired then he felt, “No, enough, I am done.” He decided, “I think now it is time I should surrender.” He just took out one bell and tied near the feet of Shiva and came out. That bell is still there; in all shivas statue you can see the bell will be here, in this place [Swamiji gestures towards His calf muscle on His leg]. Means what? Only till that place, Vishnu is going to travel... Vishnu was able to travel; not more than that.

This guy who flied, flied, flied, flied. He saw in between suddenly one Thazhampoo, Thazhampoo means what in English you will say? One flower, hmmm? Anyhow Thazhampoo, one flower. He saw that flower and caught hold of that flower and asked, “Where are you from?” The flower said, “No, some devotee offered me to Shiva. And Shiva instead of putting me in his hair, he put me in his ears. So I have suddenly fallen from his ears. Still I am coming down. I am travelling. I have not yet reached the ground.” Brahma asked, “How long you are traveling?” “Oh how long? Just 4 age of Brahmas I am traveling.” The guy got totally frightened, chatur brahma yuga. One age of Brahma is one brahma yuga. Chatur brahma yuga. That fellow got totally shaken. Even if I travel chatur brahma yuga I can reach only the ears, not the jatta?

So this guy asked the Thazhampoo, “Will do a small favour for me?” Thazhampoo said, “What, what do you want?” I will tell Shiva that I have seen his head, and you just be the witness.” Then this guy thought “After all I am falling. What is there? Let us be a witness.” When a disciple tries to help another one disciple against a master, he does the same thing. When you try to help another one disciple against me…. when you do a mista...when a disciple does a mistake, and if you think, “Let me not show this to master. Let me not tell this to him. Let me support him.” Out of your compassion, if you do, you do this same mistake. What this Thazhampoo has done, out of compassion, Thazhampoo has no income, Thazhampoo has not nothing to gain, by witnessing the Brahma. But what Thazhampoo thought? “Poor guy, he has to suffer. After all, I can help him.”

The moment you think this way towards another one disciple what happens? You do this same mistake. This guy was feeling little compassionate. He said, “Alright. I will be a witness.” Then both of them came down. Brahma said, “I have seen, this is the witness.” As if Shiva doesn’t know! From His ears only this guy is falling. But he forgets that Shiva knows everything. Shiva knows everything. Because he is falling for a long time, he forgot, he lost touch with Shiva. He didn’t remember. Then what, what happened you know. Shiva cursed Brahma, “You will not have temples”. And he cursed that Thazhampoo “You will never be used for my worship.” When you try to give your compassion to another one disciple against me. You will also have this same trouble. You will also have this same trouble. Even in the name of compassion, don’t cross the rules of master, the discipline of master, words of master.