“Path of Bhakti and the path of Jnana is helping each other.”

Path of Bhakti and the path of Jnana is helping each other. Path of self-effort and the path of surrender is nothing but a complementary path with each other. They complement each other. People ask Me, “You’re such a big enlightened master, why do you worship Dakshinamurthy? Why do you put the vigraha? Why do you do kumbhabhisheka? Path of surrender and the path of self-effort, both of them are helping each other. So whatever you know, you think as meditation or self-effort, that will be encouraged. That will be helped when you surrender, when you surrender. A little bit of surrender, a little bit of worship will be a big technique for you to go into your path. So from here also, way, he will come and pull you down. From here also you will move. Actually, enlightened master is a person from outside by his techniques and teachings, through his techniques and teachings he pushes you. From outside he pushes you, the, the, he makes you, makes the TPS fall down. From inside, in the form of grace, he just pulls you. Outside I push you in through meditation techniques and teachings. From inside I just - So the master does both the job, pushing from outside and pulling from inside.

Participant: What makes going up?

SPH: Ah here, here comes what makes going up? That is where actually problem starts. And actually if you are deeply interested only in the annamaya kosha pleasures, or the annamaya kosha sufferings, not only annamaya kosha pleasures, annamaya kosha sufferings. If you are happy with annamaya kosha sufferings, then naturally you will start staying with that.

Participant: Swamiji, how can anybody be happy with sufferings?

SPH: You don’t know. That’s what we are doing actually. We are very happy with our sufferings you don’t know.

Participant: Swamiji, even while meditating sometimes we feel more thoughts coming in, sometimes it is...

SPH: Means the TPS is high.

Participant : No, but then after some time you feel that it has come down.

SPH: Means you’re falling, the transit period.

Participant: If we take the case of children, whenever they go and play they have never had enough, even if they play for two hours they will tell no… Does it mean they...

SPH: Means the TPS is very low, intelligence is active.

Participant: But then when we are doing something that we like and enjoy very much, then also TPS is low? Does that mean we are still in the annamaya kosha or what?

SPH: No, no, no, no, no, naturally, you are in anandamaya kosha. Anything you like, anything you’re totally enjoying and if you do it, you are penetrating the time shaft, anything. There is no worldly pleasure or heavenly pleasure. Everything is one and the same.

Participant: So total enjoyment is also ok?

SPH: Total enjoyment which does not makes you unconscious. Of course, drinks will make unconscious. That’s not total enjoyment. Any enjoyment, anything when you totally, which you enjoy is meditation. Utterly meditation, go into it. Don’t have any guilt.

Participant: Swamiji, when you say I do not know my future, that’s fine, I understand. But what do you mean I don’t know my past? I know, I think I know my past.

SPH: Hmm.. no, your, your thing is right. You think you know your past, as you lived, not as it happened, ok?

Participant: Right

SPH: Not as it happened, as you lived. Means When you jump tak-tak-tak-tak, you go and fall on some incident and fall on this incident. Wherever you fall, only that you remember. You remember only your mother’s beating in the young age. Do you remember so much of care she took? No! There are so much, so much of past has happened. You don’t remember that. Only what you lived and what you’re living, you remember that. Means only where you are touching, this side and that side. Visualize that past shaft is there. You go and touch, come this side, come that side, come that side. Wherever you go and touch and fall, only those things you remember, not as it happened, ok?

Participant : Swamiji, In NSP there is a \<unclear\>. Is there any context linked to this?

SPH: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Your whole, the whole generations after generations is liberated like that only. This timeshaft only. All your hundreds of past lives and hundreds of future lives which is going to happen is this time shaft only. Unless you penetrate the timeshaft you will be continuously taking birth. The timeshaft will go on, go on, go on, go on. Kala chakra, Samsara chakra will go on.

Participant: Swamiji, the timeshaft is same for everybody or different timeshafts for each one?

SPH: Hum, here comes the. Timeshaft is one and the same. That is why when a man who has stopped the timeshaft, when you are around him, all your timeshafts stop. It comes down. You see, if your frequency usually is hundred TPS, it will come down to fifty. If your TPS is usually eighty, it will come down to forty. But, it will become average. You and Me is you plus zero. I am zero. When you and Me, you plus zero average, then what happens? That is why we say - Enlightened master nullifies you. Enlightened master nullifies you.

Participant: Swamiji, somebody asked you a question about the, how does the TPS rise and you mentioned sinking into Annamaya Kosha.

SPH: Enjoying the sufferings of Annamaya Kosha.

Participant: But then later on you said both lower and higher pleasures as long as you indulge completely.

SPH: When you indulge totally into the pleasure, you don’t create pain. When you don’t indulge, only then you create pain. Please be very clear, any sweet, any taste, if you intensely enjoy, you will never create hangover. You leave a hangover because you’ve not enjoyed it. Even when you’re, when the sweet laddu is in your mouth, your TPS will be too much. Then how will you enjoy? Unless the TPS comes down, how will you enjoy the laddu? Laddu will be in your mouth. You may be somewhere else! Gongura chutney will be in your mouth, you will be somewhere else. How will you enjoy Gongura? No! Unless the TPS comes down, you will not be able to enjoy even if you have everything. Once the TPS comes down, you’ll be able to enjoy even if you have nothing. If the TPS is not down, you will be, you will not be able to enjoy anything. If the TPS is down, you will be able to enjoy everything. That’s all. The whole secret is TPS down.

Participant: There is nothing else than the “Nithya”, then from where I come to enjoy the suffering and joy?

SPH: And that is where the problem starts. Actually, there’s nothing else but Nithya. But when you start becoming very vague, you start creating a idea. It’s like a mist, it’s like a mist. How it happens, you can’t say. You can say only how to escape, how to escape. You see, when you make a statement - There is nothing else except Nithya. That statement has not become your experience. It’s only an intellectual syllabus which you read and that’s where starts, starts the problem. Because you do not know what is Nithya, you, the first statement you make without the experience. Let the first statement we made with experience, then the second statement will not raise. Create a gap between you and your thoughts. That’s all, nothing else. Don’t move with your thoughts. This four days, try. Simply try. Now, let Me tell you the importance of the Master’s presence. You see when the Master is here, when the, he is in the zero state, he is beyond the timeshaft. He’s beyond the timeshaft. Simply when you are around him, you see when you just attend some programs, you’re in hundred TPS. The hundred becomes, what to say, hundred plus zero is hundred. By two means what? You come to the fifty, average. If you’re doing some meditation, naturally you come down to eight. Eighty plus zero is then, that way it comes down, forty. Then if you have letting him work on you, means living in his presence, then you become a sixty. Sixty plus zero, by two is thirty. Actually, by totally surrendering or relaxing to the Master’s presence, if you totally trust him and relax, he simply stops your timeshaft and wipes it. Simply he stops the timeshaft. His presence can simply stop the timeshaft. Simply the presence can stop the timeshaft. Just if you relax, simply the timeshaft can be stopped.That is what we say - just by relaxing in the presence of the Master, the whole future can be changed. Thousands of people come and tell Me. This has happened, that has happened. You helped me this way-that way. How? Timeshaft has stopped. The timeshaft has stopped. Naturally the past never penetrates into the future. If you, if you are too urging, “Swamiji, you do it immediately, do it immediately”, what will happen? Then what happens? How much of energy I put, what will happen? Because you, you become, you see, if I put hundred percent, you become two hundred percent. You sit on that like a monkey. Then what will happen? You will come down only hundred. You will not be less than hundred TPS. So if you can cooperate and surrender and relax, simply the future can be altered or just brushed. It can be altered or just brushed. That is why there’s a beautiful sloka which says: “Brahma sits; with all his sweating, tiredness, goes on writing on your head, your life, your future. Guru just walks and wipes it and goes away. Because of the timeshaft, this is the way the future is changed. The future is changed. Otherwise the future can never be changed. The Dharmalingam, he was, according to the timeshaft he was supposed to live throughout his life only as a handicap, only as handicap. When he let the eternity to work on him, when he opened up with so much of trust and surrender, naturally, the time, future is just wiped. The future is just cleaned. Life is moving. That’s all. This is the only way all miracles can happen. I think this is the ultimate diagram. This explains the science of miracle, science of meditation, science of ananda, timeshaft, everything, samskaras.

Participant: There are three movements actually, circular, vertical and oscillation…

SPH: That’s what, length-breadth-depth. Length-breadth-depth, over, the whole cosmic theory. It’s the whole cosmic theory. No, Vibrations are only depth. See, length(making circular motion), breadth(making vertical motion), vibrations-depth, over.

Samskara... You see the vibration touching this and touching that. See, when you touch past and touch the future, you exactly reproduce the past in the future because you know only that. That’s all. That is what is Samskara. That is what I call samskara, Reproducing the same things which has happened in your past into the future is what I call samskara. It’s what is samskara, that’s all. You know only that much. You see, if you're trained to feel the saliva in your mouth, the moment you hear the Gongura chutney, Gongura chutney, immediately the saliva. Naturally whenever the Gongura chutney is brought in front of you, what will you do? Same reaction. So the past and the future movement. If you’re trained to get hurt, somebody hurts, somebody criticises you, if you choose to get hurt when somebody criticises you, naturally you will be continuously getting hurt whenever people criticise you. If you choose to be happy and relax when somebody criticises you, naturally you will start - choose to be happy and blissful. When somebody criticises, it’s just your choice. Your choice can help and work if the TPS is less. Your choice, your conscious decisions always brings the TPS down because the force of the oscillation is stopped. You see, not only TPS and, you see, you come near the timeshaft not only when the TPS is brought down, even when the oscillation is brought down, when the frequency is brought down. Again you come near the. You understand. You see if these movements are reduced, naturally the TPS also will became less. And that is what is TPS. TPS also will be reduced.