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10 March 2011

“Before entering into the Brahma Sutras I wanted to remind please get…”

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Prayer. Welcome.

Before entering into the Brahma Sutras I wanted to remind please get back to Padmaasana.

In 1st chapter, 8th sutra –

Heyatva vachanaascha

Just 2 word. Heyatva vachanaascha

This is the greatness of these masters. They utter 2 word and it sometimes takes lifetimes for us to understand what they are saying!

Gambhirananda: pradhana has not been spoken of even indirectly because there is no subsequent mention of its rejection because that melitates against the assertion at the beginning!

Veereshwarananda: and because it is not stated by the scriptures that it has to be abandoned, pradhana cannot be denoted by the word ‘sath.’

I tell you really if you try to study Brahmasutras by yourself you have only 3 option. 1. You should just stop reading because of the sheer tiredness it brings on your physical body. Anybody who tries to study Brahmasutras, lands in physical disease I have seen because your head will suck the whole energy and even after that you will be able to grasp! 2. There is every possibility you will fall into depression because when the head sucks the energy completely, the only step head knows is depression. Understand when you take the head, the only step the head knows is depression. 3. There is every possibility you can go mad! ☺

It is such a difficult, most difficult shaastra. 1000s of ways these sutras can be translated and 1000s of ways it can be interpreted. Every time it takes at least 21 full seconds, full 21 seconds for me, for my brain itself to grasp each sutra. I am telling you very clearly to grasp the flow of each sutra it will take at least 21 seconds for me. It means it can take at least 21 hours for you if not years! If you want to exist, you need to know the formulas for existence, aphorisms on existence. If some way when the kids start growing if we can teach this aphorisms on existence saying – your source is consciousness, whole thing is based on the flow of compassion & the deep engrams and sufferings created in you because of currency is not practical, or factual, or real life. I wanted all of you to know I am using the word practical. One of the worst thing that happened to human beings is thinking that wealth alone is practical part of the life. NO. Whether it is relationships, wealth or infra structure, power – these are not just practical part of life. The practical part of life itself is aphorisms on existence – Brahmasutras. It is a basic need to exist. Just to exist. Nothing else!

If this aphorisms on existence is imbibed as a basic decision making mechanism in your system, the highest breakthrough in the human consciousness can happen. Life can radiate itself in its peak possible form in planet earth! I will repeat the sutra –

Heyatva vachanaaccha

pradhana has not been spoken of even indirectly because there is no subsequent mention of its rejection because that melitates against the assertion at the beginning!

About the source or consciousness – the pradhana – self – even in the beginning there is no mention because bondage and liberation both are for the identity you carry not for the pradhana! Baadaraayana Bhagavan Veda Vyasa is very clear in these sutras - we need to talk about only what we have – the individual identity we carry. There is no way talking about self is going to help. All the talks about self, consciousness, intelligence, compassion only misguides you. That is why Buddha completely stops talking about self and he goes not creating a new term called ‘soonya.’ Talking about self is understood only by the identity you carry which anyway cannot give any proper complete view about any subject!

If you do the vaada prativaada on this sutra means the debate, almost all the problems your mind and all human minds are facing about the ultimate state of consciousness, religion, spirituality, will be sorted out! The vaada prativaada is a very juicy way of internalizing this great truths. I tell you I am really, really, really happy I started this subject Brahmasutras. Because now only I feel I talking something which I watned to tell from my level! I always used to feel a PHd professor is being made to talk LKG, UKG – the nursery classes. Whenever I talk on Patanjali Yoga Sutras or Shiva Sutra or any sutra, I always felt a PhD professor is made to take pre-nursery class. Only now I feel I am talking something worthy. I am not disrespecting Shiva Sutras, Patanjali Yoga Sutras or Bhagavad Gita. I have my tremendous respect. They are taking you to enlightenment through other paths. Yoga Sutras is a manual for you to practice and get enlightened. It is very simple clear manual language. The purpose is you are expected to practice. It is like a owner’s manual for a particular car or a computer. That does not necessarily need to talk about the whole mechanism with which car is operating. So you have certain powers in your body, mind consciousness for which you need a manual. It need to tell you certain things that you need to know to run the car. Yoga sutras is like a owner’s manual for body & mind. Shiva sutras is like a owner’s manual for enlightenment consciousness. Bhagavad Gita is more like a owner’s manual for a successful social head, leader. But Brahmasutras is not just owner’s manual it is a pure science, the basic science, the basic understanding – aphorisms on existence. I can say to talking about other sutras I don’t need to use my whole system to talk about other sutras. But Brahmasutras I need to use almost whatever is available to me. All the intellect, intelligence, logic, the power of vaak – Saraswathi and the highest possible consciousness and language power – I have to use practically everything to speak on Brahmasutras. That is why I am feeling so fulfilled. If you observe, I never rest my body during the discourses. If you see last few days, I am leaning and resting because every word I am uttering from the pure existence plane. I am even keeping little bit of mind even to keep my body straight. I am just resting it. Let the words flow like Saraswathi. I am programming the whole thing to radiate the existence intensely!

So all talk about self is useless! All talks about intelligence is useless. It only leads to more & more disturbance, disruption, misunderstanding & manipulation & morphing and misrepresentation. Because bondage and liberation both are experienced by the identity you carry not by the pradhana or the original source. There is no mention about pradhana. You can never experience a breakthrough with the same old identity! For example, a follower type of personality, a slave type of personality can never experience leadership consciousness with the same identity he is carrying. When the identity has no possibility for a strong breakthrough, quantum leap does not happen! Same way here also, unless you decide to be a high achiever, existence is not for you. Please understand. Aphorisms of existence is not for you if you are not interested in being a high achiever. Understand now itself I am telling you - this book is only for high achievers. If you are a failure, better log out and go. Really I am telling you. Aphorisms on existence is only for high achievers where the complete transformation is required which challenges your very existence. As I said yesterday, there was a moment in my life - all the bondages which can be created by universe and all the liberation which can be given by universe has become meaningless for my existence. Brahmasutras says pradhana – source, origin cannot be spoken. Any speaking you do, any understanding you try to achieve, any word you try to bring in, any concept you try to adopt, any belief you try to establish only creates more line & layer of dust on the possibility of experiencing pradhana. That is why I am saying in Brahma Vidya sampradaya we don’t have enlightenment. We make you enlightened but we don’t have the concept of enlightenment. We emphasize on cognitive shift. The identity which feels the ignorance should stop taking decisions based on its ignorance or feeling it is intelligence. The factual reality becomes a base for taking cognizance of any idea, understanding and decisions. It is almost like pure existence in its purest form becomes a basis or basic ground on which you stand. I am really feeling happy for the kids who are sitting and listening all over the world. I am seeing in the VC in Guadeloupe kids are running around, in Anna Nagar in many places youngsters are also sitting and listening. It is good the youngsters are listening.

Brahmasutras should be heard, debated before the age of 42. After 42, certain parts of the brain due to the long time unused can never be retrieved or used. These are some of the hard disks which are not working and never be retrieved. Sometime if the hard disk is repaired just now you can retrieve. There is a possibility. If you have not used it for a long time, then you can never retrieve it. If you send it to forensic lab - master’s monastery then it is possible. He may be able to retrieve it and make it active.

Buddha goes on saying that pradhana, origin is soonya – nothingness. No-thingness! Actually I agree with Buddha’s nothingness because that stops the whole confusion which can be created by the jugglery of the words about the self and pradhana. See small subjects which does mean much to and to your life can be confused. You can afford to get confused in your life. But the major important truths like self – pradhana - origin, you cannot afford to be confused. It has to be a clear authentic drilling without leaving any room for any confusion, contradiction, commotion and chaos. That is why Buddha has taken a great step of not talking about the pradhana – origin & God. I can say this is one of the main reason why Buddha is able to make 1000s enlightened. So Baadaraayana Bhagavan Veda Vyasa is very clear any discussion about the pradhana can only be destructive. Then what is the use of talking? Talking is constantly to remove the identity with which you are working. The identity which feels the bondage, which feels the liberation.

I tell you if you don’t create concepts, ideas about existence and origin, it is easy for you to take the jump into that experience when it happens. When you go on having certain concept about existence, when it happens in front of you, you miss it! When you have strong concept about Krishna when he comes back in front of you, you will miss him! If you have strong concept about Jesus if he comes back in front of you, you will miss him. Because how do you know that Jesus had a long beard and Krishna was clean shaved. But you go on carrying this image. There is every possibility at least Krishna had short beard. Just to experience the juiciness of it, that guy is a very colorful guy. There is every possibility he would have tried French beard and all other beards. There is every possibility Jesus may have been clean shaved. Who knows? But when you go on carrying some idea, you miss the existence of it because of the idea of that existence. Same way, when you carry too many ideas about the Brahman – existence, you miss the experience of existence when it hits your base of cognizance. That is what actually I am doing now. I am hitting the base of your cognizance. That is why you are feeling so much of silence and blissful even though you don’t understand a single word I am uttering. No. I challenge you, come on try to recall what I spoke. Immediately after the Brahmasutras satsang try to have a debate and re-call what all I spoke. You cannot recall. What you, even I cannot recall. I only know I allowed Saraswathi to express herself honestly as it is to hit the basis on which you are making cognizance.

Let me tell you exactly the whole drama. See basically one line of your logic due to some reason suddenly got into a strong belief – you are in bondage, you are not worthy of life, you are not worthy of anything great, you are not worthy of you. So that logic goes on interfering in all aspects of your life like health, wealth, relationships, satisfaction, fulfillment, fear, greed, pleasure, pain – in all dimensions and aspects of your life, this logic jumps in and makes the whole thing hell. When again & again & again the basis on which you take cognizance ,the basis which this logic goes on reminding you are unfulfilled or telling you - you are unfulfilled is shaken, the mud on which this root of the imperfect logic, I can call this imperfect logic because it is that which goes on telling you - you are imperfect, it goes on reminding you - you are imperfect – the sand or the very ground on which this logic is rooted, I am removing that very sand, very ground so that the logic which goes on saying about the imperfection takes different cognizance. Stops taking cognizance based on imperfection or the idea of imperfection. The first thing you need to know there is no enlightenment for you. So you do not need to worry or work for it. All the ideas you carry is a psycho drama. Understand, for example, only when you look at that idol as higher than you it looks like a deity. If you look at idol as a statue it is just a stone. It is your own psycho drama which adds sacredness to the idol and makes it as a deity. It is just kind of a training. Understand, looking anything as unholy is very easy. But looking anything as alive or sacred is the most difficult job! Looking at anything, experiencing anything without sacredness is very easy. To throw stone at something, to throw a slipper at something is it a big difficult thing? No - very easy. Only to offer a flower at something with deep overflowing love and gratitude you need to evolve. It is not a joke to melt a man’s consciousness and raise it him to a level where he can see sacredness in a stone or a statue or a living person. Stone and statue is little difficult. On living person is most difficult. We go on adding sacredness to Krishna’s rasa leela. I know for sure if that guy is alive in the physical form, there would have been such a huge scandal on him. Psycho drama of adding sacredness to a deity or an idol is used to shake your logic which goes on reminding you that you are imperfect because on any one thing if you feel that sacredness, immediately that sacredness hits the very root of the imperfect logic. That is why we say – brahmavit brahma ahavir bahavati

By knowing Brahman, you become Brahman. By having sacred experience on deity or Guru, you experience the root where the psycho drama starts in your life. I can equate the word maya for psycho drama. Everything in your life is a psycho drama. You feeling me as Guru, you feeling yourself as a man, you feeling you are a disciple, you feeling you are a man or woman, you feeling your neighbor is more or less than you spiritually, all wives feeling husband is spiritually less grown than you, all husbands feel wives are spiritually grown. I don’t know how this problem is there. All husbands feel my wife is spiritually grown and all wives feel my husband is spiritually less grown and is a headache for me ☺

I want all of you to know that this is a psycho drama. If you start taking cognizance of this factual reality, you will be helped. If you think I am less than you in spirituality, it is a lie. It is a drama. Even I am equal to you in spirituality. Then why I am sitting on a pedestal? Because you need to see me and I need to see you. If I sit down, you cannot see me. So just for sake of utility I am sitting here. You looking at me with love and gratitude and respect is just a psycho drama which will shake your imperfection logic or logic which goes on telling you are imperfect. Because when you see sacredness on something, the jolt happens in the root of the logic which goes on disgracing everything including you. And I wanted all of you to know this is one of the important there is no difference between love and lust. It is like removing a thorn by a thorn. You have a yellow journalist sitting inside you. that fellow goes on writing abusive article on you again & again – morning, mid day and night!

No in all of you there is a yellow journalist sitting. That idiot goes on accusing you writing articles morning to night and keeps sending to you. even if you say you don’t want to read, he spams you. problem is only after you read you understand it is spam. Sometime even after reading you don’t understand it is spam. That guy make anything lose its grace on you. He disgraces everything. He disgraces your romance, he disgraces life, he disgraces love, he disgraces joy, he disgraces even your pains. I want all of you to know this is one of the important aphorisms on reality – there is no difference between love & lust. It is the yellow journal sitting inside you who makes all your love into lust. He makes you believe that your love is lust. After 10 days, you start believing you are right. Don’t allow that yellow journalist to take over your cognizance. Your cognizance about you is very sacred! Why Krishna’s rasa leela is love and your personal affairs is lust? Because Krishna is not alive. If he was alive, your mind will disgrace him. The mind which goes on disgracing everything is the logic which continuously goes on telling you - you are imperfect. That logic is what suffers bondage. It cannot liberate you. you need to have a powerful cognitive shift. A powerful chaotic cognitive shift. I use the word chaotic because it does not happen logically. When people come to me to take sanyas if they come with their family permission, I know surely it will be a failure. Because it is not a transformation but it is just a transition. They are ready to take the risk of transition. But if they break the whole society and take risk I know wow this fellow is going to get enlightened. Because the cognitive shift is for high achievers. It is for the people who are designed for high achieving. If you are disgraced yourself too much again & again & again, you will not have inspiration to be a high achiever. All high achievers, leaders are people who have taken stay on the yellow journalist who is sitting inside them. I tell you there is no difference between love & lust. Either everybody’s love is love or everybody’s love is lust. If you think no I think that person’s love is love and my love is lust or my lust is love and that person’s love is lust that is again yellow journalism. It cannot be the rule of existence. As an antidote to the yellow journalism which goes on inside your system, the deity worship is given to you. morning doing pada puja to master, Guru is just an antidote to the yellow journalist who is sitting inside you. I can say these guys who worked so much and created, raised themselves to the level of able to see the divinity and sacredness and grace in me, after that just because of some yellow journals in the outer world and their inner world lost their grace or felt I am disgraced, when they lost the ability to see the sacredness on me, they thought I lost something. I want all of you to know they lost something. I have not lost anything. I continue to radiate my sacredness.

When you have the ability to see sacredness on a deity or a Guru be very clear that psycho drama helps you to see sacredness in you. that is why I am encouraging to see the sacredness in some of the items in your life.

Though everything is sacred, initially you have to project your sacredness on some object. You need something on which you can project and learn this psycho drama. It is like removing the thorn by the needle. If you remove by the thorn by another thorn there is always a possibility that this new thorn can get stuck inside. so remove the thorn by needle. If you project sacredness on deity it is like removing the thorn by thorn. If you project sacredness on a living person your Guru, it is like removing the thorn by a needle. It is like a psycho drama where you learn the habit of looking at things sacredly. So that you can experience that sacredness in the root, in the source where cognizance is taken in your life about everything. The source where the cognizance is taken in you about everything is Hiranyagarbha. That is what is the source of the existence. But I wanted all of you to know in existence, in factual reality Rama, Krishna, Shankara, Buddha, Ramakrishna, Ramana, you, me none of us have any basic difference! The possibility of basic difference cannot even be conceived. It is the identity you carry creates a psycho drama with which you feel the bondage by disappearance of which you feel the liberation. End of the show it is like you are liberated from created suffering. There are some some meditation programs, no not meditation, education programs they create the suffering for you and then liberate you from that. And people go and pay for it. create the suffering which is not there and then make people liberate from suffering. That is what you are doing for yourself. You are happy about that game and you feel your life is worthy. Other day I was reading this – A woman is one who stands by you, with you in all the problems, issues, headaches which will not happen when she is not there ☺

I tell you courage is the quality which makes you stand in your life throughout the problems. All the problems, low curves, disturbances which may not be there if that is not there in the initial level. you feel your life is useful if you create problems and solve them at the end of your life. You say – wow, see what I have achieved in the last 70 years. What have you achieved? Nothing big you just created some silly problems and equally silly solutions.

You need to lose respect for all the problems you have. That is the essence, sacred secret from this sutra. You need to lose respect for anything you consider as the identity. Pradhana cannot be understood as its existence is beyond anything you understand as existence. Anything which can be understood by your logic is not pradhana. Pradhana can never be understood by your logic. So all we are talking is about stopping the yellow journalist sitting inside you writing disgraceful articles about you and to you and makes you tell the same ideas to others from your own mouth! These are the 4 logic for the amazing logic you carry which writes against you.

First he writes disgracing articles about you and makes you believe, then he makes those ideas come out of your moth to others, makes them believe, then he writes disgraceful articles on others in you, makes you believe and then makes you tell it to others and creating angers and fights from others to you. All we need is to bring this logic to factual reality – means transforming. That is what we call in Hindu tradition as Kama dahana – burning of manmadha – delusion. On Shiva Raathri day that is what we did. Burning of maya – delusion.

So the essence of this sutra is discussion about Pradhana is not only useless it is dangerous. So avoid it. So all discussions are supposed to be the identity you are carrying and all liberations is for the identity you are carrying. Ability to look at the sacredness on the deity or the Guru is a psycho drama which helps to shut the yellow journalist who is sitting inside you. The logic which goes on imposing imperfection on you even though you are perfect. Today I want the vaada prativaada to continue in the eNdebate on these 3 aspect –

1. Only on the identity that you feel as bondage and liberation not the original source or self 2. Original source or self cannot be understood by word so it is good not to talk about it 3. Very important thing. Amazing thing - the ability to project the sacredness on deity or Guru, how this psycho drama helps you to remove the logic which goes on saying you are imperfect and disgracing you even though you are perfect. And how that psycho drama can be used to experience sacredness in you, to put an end to the yellow journalist sitting in you.

These are the 3 points on which I wanted the vaada prativaada to happen today.

I wanted the whole social media, face book, twitter, orkut, youtube everything to be flooded with Brahmasutras on this great vaada prativaada. Internet is being used by too much of low level things like porn, shopping, gay, entertainment. Make the whole internet sacred by using it for sacred sentiments and sacred secrets Brahmasutras. Like in those days they say if you enter the Varanasi even the bulls, buffalos, birds, parrots living in Varanasi, can give you any answer on any vedantic question. Because so many pundits are sitting and arguing continuously, they know everything about Vedanta.

Shankara goes to find out Mandana Mishra’s house. It is a nice scene. The passer by, the traveler says go to a village where the poor woman, low caste woman taking water from the village well, common well they will be talking on the highest truths and will be giving clarity on them to you. And ask them they will show the house of Mandana Mishra to you. Shankara goes village to village. In one village the women who were near the well gave some clarity and click even to Shankara. He got some clicks – sacred secrets. Then he decides wow this is the village of Mandana Mishra. He asks those ladies can you tell me where is Mandana Mishra’s house. They say the house in front of which two parrots will be talking this high level truths. Then there is a house where 2 parrots are sitting and discussing, debating whether uttara mimasa is complete or poorva mimasa is complete. The parrots sitting and discussing and debating this! Shankara is shocked! If parrots are sitting and discussing this, then what will be the truth in the guy who taught them this? Then he goes in and meets Mandana Mishra.

So today continue the vaada prativaada on these 3 sacred secrets! Blessings!

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