“Arjuna says I foresee only evil Omens krishna I do not see any good…”
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Arjuna says I foresee only evil Omens krishna I do not see any good coming by killing one’s own kith in this battle.
Today we will enter into the 1st chapter, 31st verse
“na ca sreyo 'nupasyami hatva sva-janam ahave na kankse vijayam krsna na ca rajyam sukhani ca”
Please see the difference bet Duryodhana’s depression and Arjuna’s depression. Taking the decision and afterwards unable to handle the decision you have taken in your life. Means the side effect and after effect of your decision are too much. Let me define very clearly to all of you. the energy which is able to handle all the side effect & after effect of the decision it makes is Paramatma. The energy which is not able to handle the side effect and after effects of the decision it makes is Jeevatma. Whenever you feel you are not able to handle the side effects and after effects of the decisions you make you are an individual self. When you are able to handle the side effects and after effects of the decisions you make you are Paramatma! Understand I have defined Jeevatma and Paramatma in a simplest possible way. It is inability to take responsibility of the side effects and after effects of your decisions is suffering. Understand the inability to take responsibility for the side effects and after effects of the decisions you make is suffering! Suffering makes Paramatma into Jeevatma. Jeevatma – suffering is Paramatma. Paramatma \+ suffering is Jeevatma. So it is inability to take the decisions and to take the responsibility for the side effects and after effects of the decisions you take makes you as the individual self.
Arjuna is depressed. Please understand all the souls - individual souls are depressed. You can’t be anything other than being depressed till you achieve enlightenment! There are only 2 kinds of people on planet earth. One enlightened, second – depressed. That’s all. There is no middle way. There is no in between! So Arjuna is also depressed, Duryodhana also depressed. But see the beautiful difference in Duryodhana’s depression he feels inability, blames everybody. In Arjuna’s depression, even in his depression he doesn’t have any doubt about his efficiency and he does not blame anybody. He is only in need of little more clarity. Please understand Duryodhana’s depression is depression out of inertness and supported by ego. Arjuna’s depression is a depression from restlessness needs only clarity and intelligence. Arjuna’s depression leads the individual soul towards the fulfillment. Duryodhana’s depression leads the individual soul into more & more deeper & deeper bondages. That is why even though both of them are depressed, each one of them are given towards diff sol or each one of them go to diff solutions. There is no Duryodhana Vishada yoga, there is only Arjuna vishada yoga. I tell you if you are depressed don’t worry. But analyze the depression - it is it inertness or restlessness. Is the depression asking only clarity or intelligence or your very life? Arjuna’s depression is only hungry for clarity, knowledge, truth. Duryodhana’s depression is hungry for life. Duryodhana’s depression swallowed Duryodhana’s life itself. But Arjuna’s depression asked only just little clarity and intelligence and understanding! If you just study the symptoms of Arjuna’s depression - limbs giving way, mouth parched, skin burning, hair standing on end, the bow & arrow slipping from the hands, unable to stand. These are the descriptions, clear descriptions of the Arjuna’s depression!
We have Ganesha materialized here to bless all of us! Wow Ganesha out of some precious stone!
If you see all the symptoms of Arjuna, medically if you analyze them denial, fatigue and lack of energy, feeling isolated these are the some of the medical symptoms. But I will give you the deeper study about depression. Basically depression is conflict between your social conditioning and brain! Please understand, your brain because it happened from the nature, the body, it has its own rhythm, flow, life. But when your social conditioning opposes the flow of your nature beyond certain limit the conflict which starts, results in guilt and which leads to frustration and finally depression. Please understand if the social conditioning and your brain flow as only as small conflicts there won’t be much problem. If both of them literally fight, wage war encounter each other, then starts the depression. If you look Arjuna’s depression and Duryodhana’s depression both of them are confused, both of them are not able to handle the naked reality, both of them are not able to handle the side effect and the after effect of the decisions they make. When they made their decisions, they made it only logically means thinking one dimension of it. But they did not make it based on the whole visualization!
He is not able to hold the responsibility. Let me give you one example how people make decisions very logical decision but when the reality happens, it happens something which was not imagined by their logic. Please understand when you make decision when things happen they are different. Arjuna finally falls on Krishna for solution. He looks at Krishna turns towards Krishna for solution. Life rewards greater things to you based on the small decisions you make! Please understand Arjuna turning towards Krishna, Duryodhana turning towards Drona is all very small decision. Duryodhana had an opportunity to turn towards Krishna. Arjuna had opportunity to turn towards Drona. But Arjuna chooses Krishna, Duryodhana chooses Drona in a very simple way the decision is too small. But the side effect, after effect is too big! But fortunately Arjuna turned to Krishna. He uses the word Keshava in this sutra – killer of demon Keshini. Keshava means he reminds Krishna you are a killer of all demons. And let’s go to the next verse –
1st chapter 32nd verse –
“na kankse vijayam krsna na ca rajyam sukhani ca kim no rajyena govinda kim bhogair jivitena va”
The translation says – “I do not covert my dear Krishna victory or kingdom or pleasures. Of what use will kingdom or happiness or even life to be us?”
Understand when the restlessness happens out of depression, when the depression happens out of restlessness, it is much better than Duryodhana’s. But surely it is much much much lower than Krishna. Now from this verse, I will start explaining by comparing the depression based on restlessness and satva - the balance intelligence. Till this verse I was comparing the depression from inertness and depression from restlessness - Duryodhana’s depression and Arjuna’s depression. From now I will shift the understanding , my attention, my focus from depression of restlessness to the satva, the pure balanced consciousness. Because the travelling has started, the stage is set, understanding is given. Now starts the Inner Awakening - the inner journey
“na kankse vijayam krsna na ca rajyam sukhani ca kim no rajyena govinda kim bhogair jivitena va”
Arjuna suddenly tries to logically justify his depression to Krishna. Please understand he is afraid because he can’t go beyond the words of Krishna. So somehow he has to take yes from krishna. Exactly in a position of a disciple who is depressed and comes to me saying that he wants to leave the ashram, before I say yes or no he will try all his logic and put the words in such a way he will force me to tell yes. Because he does not have courage to go against if I say no, at the same time he wants yes, but he wants my yes for his yes! He wants my yes for his decision! Constitutionally he wants to keep me as the highest authority practically he wants me like a rubber stamp! I have seen this situation many times. Sometime even the forget about people leaving the ashram, even sometime people who want to divorce or change the profession, they would have already taken a decision, they just want that I should attest the decision, so they will come up with a very intelligent argument from my own teachings, I may not be able to say directly yes or no. I will be just cornered. I will say yes only to their decision. I will not have freedom to say yes or no on my own. So they will prepare whole logic and bring it to me. This is what I call waging war with the master by creating chakravyuha without understanding he is the chakradaanishwara! He is the man who gifted the chakra, without knowing that creating a chakravyuha to corner him!
See here, Arjuna attacks Krishna using Krishna’s own teachings. Naturally many times Krishna would have said - we should not covert others wealth, aparigraha, asteya, satya, dharma, jnana, Brahmacharya, so many great things Iyama, Niyama. So here, he is bringing a theory which is taught by Krishna and trying to put the responsibility of his decision on Krishna. Please understand this is where exactly Arjuna is doing a big mistake. You see he should very clearly say I can’t fight, I don’t think I have the energy. I think I am depressed. I am not able to handle the after effects & side effects of the decisions I made few years ago or in the past. I think now it is time let me withdraw from this decision, Krishna thank you for standing by me all this time. Good bye! Whole problem would have ended. He does not have courage for that. He is putting the whole responsibility on Krishna. He says Krishna I do not want to covert victory, or kingdom or pleasure. What use will kingdom or happiness or even life to be us. He is not saying to me, he is saying to us. Kimno - he is using the word for us. See when he finds all of them are relatives, he says svajanam - my people. But here suddenly he changes the word us. Exactly the way the kids behave. See kids are very intelligent when they want to make decision on their own they make but finally somehow they connect it that you are responsible for that decision.
One small boy is sitting in the bath tub and mother is washing his hair giving head bath. I can say that is the first hell all the kids face ☺ Till the Bramacharis even now the Brahmacharis who are taking care of me, people who are taking care of me, has to push me to take a head bath. They have to put a slip on the bed and they have to put a slip on the bathroom mirror, I have to be reminded almost 5 times then after that I will come up with some excuse – see, already it is late. Today Inner Awakening is there, long sessions, people are many visitors are there, only if I can’t find any reason and the shower cap is also missing in the bathroom, only then I will put the shampoo on my head. Still it is a big problem, I wonder sometime people who have long hair how they maintain it! Anyhow, this boy is sitting on the bath tub and mother is giving the head bath. In between she says your hair has grown too much I think you need to go for hair cut. The child replies – “maybe you should not be watering it so much!” ☺
Understand kids know how to make you responsible. They have their own vested interests. They have something else to add to what you give. See you give some advice and they will add their twist and say this is what you said. That is why when I receive questions from people and when they say you said, I say no correct it as you heard. Correct and say I heard. Don’t say you said. Because many time you have your own things to add.
Teacher asks the student - my boy if I give you two rabbit, 2 rabbit, 2 rabbit, 2 rabbit – how many you will have. The boy said 7. Teacher asks again aiy listen properly – If I give you 2 rabbit, 2 rabbit, 2 rabbit how many will you have? Again he said 7. Teacher said – you see now understand, if I give you 2 apple, again 2 apple, again 2 apple how many apples will you will have? 6! Teacher said aiy you got it right - 2 apply, 2 apple, 2 apple 6. Then how come 2 rabbit, 2 rabbit, 2 rabbit then how can this become 7? The student said sir I already have got one rabbit at home ☺
You don’t have what they have you are calculating only what you are giving. But each person has something on their own to add to what you give. I may give only 6 rabbit advice but they have 7th rabbit to add. So each person have their own rabbit to add. Here Arjuna is adding his rabbit but saying you gave me 7 rabbit. No! Krishna gives 6, you add the 7th one. See suddenly Arjuna is becoming a great Mahatma. He says I do not covert victory, pleasures Krishna what is the use of kingdom, happiness even life? People come to me some time and start talking great philosophies! The other day big fun happened. I was giving a sharp press meet replying to all the abusals mounted by Sun TV and Nakheeran. Afterwards one so called devotee comes to me and says Swamiji you should not be so angry and agitated. You should be very humble, polite, soft . I looked at him – God! who is telling what to whom?
Sometime people try to use your own words in a twisted way towards you. Here Arjuna is teaching renunciation to Krishna! This is what I call twisting the logic. Please understand, initially when you twist the logic for the sake of others and create a crooked logic to handle life, you are not just hurting others, you are poisoning yourself. You forget after few days you are going to live with that crooked logic which you created. Never ever do the mistake of making your logic perverted. When you do cunning plans, when you distort things, when you misrepresent things, when you mislead people, don’t think you are winning the game. It may like for that few moments you won the game, you cheated somebody, you won over somebody, you conquered. But I tell you now you have created a system which is going to continuously misrepresent facts to you and mislead you in the life! Your logic is not intelligent enough to behave with you in one way and behave with the world in another way. Your logic is simple mathematics, computer, ordinary lap top. It does not know your consciousness. It does not have the biometric door system. It opens or closes it behaves or misbehaves it leads or misleads equally both others and you! please understand, if Krishna would have allowed this logic of Arjuna to grow by saying ok my son, ok my dear friend, whatever you said I accept please go and do what you want Arjuna would have created the worst perverted logic. Not only it will be disturbing others, it will be continuously harming himself. So I tell you the logic which you make it perverted, the cunningness which you create to play with others, to win over others, to conquer others finally, ultimately brings suffering to you. See here what a way Arjuna is trying to get yes from Krishna. See he is almost explaining why he is coming to certain conclusion based on Krishna’s own words or what Krishna is expected to teach Arjuna. Naturally any great person has to teach people do not covert, do not steal, do not exploit. So first he is putting all that logical fort before telling Krishna his decision to withdraw from the fight. Because if he suddenly tells then Krishna may tell no, go and fight. Then Arjuna may have double responsible to convince Krishna. That is why he is preparing all the logic. But he does not understand with whom he is playing ☺ See how he starts. First he tries to convince Krishna logically. My dear Krishna you know I do not covert victory, kingdom or pleasure. Then suddenly he says what is the use of victory, kingdom, pleasure, happiness even life for us.
Next verse (33rd verse) -
“yesam arthe kanksitam no rajyam bhogah sukhani ca ta ime 'vasthita yuddhe pranams tyaktva dhanani ca”
“Krishna for whose sake we desire this kingdom, enjoyment and happiness, they stand in battle staking their lives and property!”
Suddenly he tries to become a big guy saying – see for whose sake all this wealth, kingdom, enjoyment property? For Svajana – our people. But our people only are standing in front of us ready to lose their life and property. Then what is the need?
Please understand, Krishna is embodiment of love. Arjuna knows it after all Arjuna lived with krishna for such a long time. So he knows the core, main thread of Krishna. He knows he is embodiment of love. He is extreme love. So he thinks if he attacks from the angle of love, Krishna can be convinced. But unfortunately Arjuna doesn’t know love, compassion, friendliness and the coward-ness which is trying to escape from the life. Please und there is a great & big difference between compassion and coward-ness trying to escape from life. There is a big difference between you donating something and you being cheated. I always donate, gift but never allow to get cheated.
“For whose sake we desire this kingdom, enjoyment and happiness they stand in battle staking their lives and property oh Krishna!”
“yesam arthe kanksitam no rajyam bhogah sukhani ca ta ime 'vasthita yuddhe pranams tyaktva dhanani ca”
Again & again, Arjuna is trying to gold coat his depression. He is trying to justify his depression. He is trying to justify the decision he made out of depression. Please understand still he is not giving the decision, he is only preparing krishna. See he is taking 3-4 verses to prepare Krishna. I can see exactly a depressed disciple trying to get my yes which he made out his depression but which he made it out of understandings of my teachings!
“yesam arthe kanksitam no rajyam bhogah sukhani ca”
For whose sake we desire this kingdom, enjoyment and happiness they stand in battle staking their lives and property!
Why? You did not imagine this is what is going to be till yesterday night? How come you jumped logic? How come you jumped time? I have seen people jump one or two satsangs and come back with some new questions. And I have seen people jump one or two sessions in the classes and programs also and ask one or two questions and get caught exactly. And I ask them did you sleep in the last session? Where were you in the last session?
One guy was suffering with insomnia and always he will be late for the office. The boss was shouting, shouting, shouting but could not do anything. One day, the guy goes and cries to the boss – Sir, it is my insomnia, sleeplessness responsible for my late, for my delay, for my late coming to the office because I don’t get sleep till late night, I start sleeping only after 2 o clock in the morning and naturally wake up late and come late to the office. Boss gets some sleeping pill gives it to the staff and says take one per day it will become alright. The problem will become alright. This guy goes back to the house his anger and frustration towards the insomnia he decided to take three, took and really had a wonderful sleep, he has even beaten the alarm clock on the morning. Anyhow finally he woke up, had cup of coffee, got ready, reached the office. Said to his boss – “Sir I really slept well, had a wonderful sleep now I am ready fresh in time in my life. First time I am on time in my life.” Boss said that is all fine. But where were you yesterday? ☺
Sometime you jump time! I have seen people jumping time in class the Inner Awakening. I have to first do the outer awakening, only then I can do the inner awakening! The logic which jumps time, the logic which jumps truth naturally is perverted not logically logically logical.
“For whose sake we desire this kingdom, enjoyment and happiness “
Arjuna is trying to withdraw. He does not have the courage or guts to withdraw. So he is trying to use Krishna’s own words to justify his withdrawal. Life is expansion, death is contraction. Withdrawal is death. There is no choice between do or die. If you die who will do? No. Just do it. That’s it! But when you think there is a choice between do or die, sometime you choose death withdrawal contraction which is not only against life, it is against everything which is living. It is a conspiracy against the consciousness. So Arjuna in his depression does not know what he is doing.
Lets see the next verses (34th verse) –
“acaryah pitarah putras tathaiva ca pitamahah matulah svasurah pautrah syalah sambandhinas tatha”
“Teachers, fathers, sons, as well as grandfathers, maternal uncles, fathers in law, grandsons, brothers in law and other relatives”
He is repeating these details 2nd time. This shows the confused conscience of Arjuna. He is giving the details -
“Teachers, fathers, sons, as well as grandfathers, maternal uncles, fathers in law, grandsons, brothers in law and other relatives”
Let us continue to the next verse (35th verse ) –
“etan na hantum icchami ghnato 'pi madhusudana api trailokya-rajyasya hetoh kim nu mahi-krte”
Suddenly, Arjuna says Krishna he calls him Madhusudana even if I am killed by them, I do not want to kill these ones even to gain control all 3 worlds much less for the earthly lordship. Aiy nobody is going to give you control of all 3 worlds even if you kill all of them. Why are you exaggerating? Usually when people are depressed they exaggerate – I don’t want even if you give me enlightenment! Who said I am going to give? Relax. At the most I may change your department and push you from ‘B’ to ‘A.’ That’s all! But no I am not interested even if I get enlightened I don’t want to do this. Of course, I would have said alright get lost who cares? Who wants you to do? But here Krishna is not saying that. First thing his tremendous compassion, 2nd he has already prepared Arjuna for his avataric mission. For Krishna’s avataric mission he has prepared Arjuna. But now in the last moment this fellow is trying to escape. See now the war is not only the mission of Arjuna it is mission of Krishna also!
“Ethanahanthu micchami nyatopi Madhusudhana apitrailokya rajasya heto kimno maheekruthe”
Arjuna now argues, Arjuna calls Krishna with the name Madhusudana means slayer of demon Madhu. See last few sutras he is always calling Krishna with a different different names like a keshava who killed Keshini, Madhusudana who killed Madhu. He is reminding Krishna you are always a destroyer, you always kill! I have seen many people even the disciples, devotees when they come to me with a clear decision. They have a decision , they just want me to attest their decision. They try to prepare me saying that you are always autocratic, you don’t listen to our opinions. Actually it is the disciple who want his decision to be passed by me without questioning. He is autocratic. But he tells me – you are always autocratic, you should listen to us. It means what? Do what I am saying. As long I do what they are saying I am a great, loving, caring, polite humble Guru, incarnation, God. But when I don’t listen to them when I want some amendment or alteration, in their decisions no you are autocratic! Arjuna is using that same card he is saying you are a killer, all the time you kill people. As if Arjuna is papa baby! Can’t even bite if somebody puts the finger in the mouth. And he argues – I will not fight, even if I am killed, even if they kill me, even if I get all 3 worlds I will not kill them, why will I kill them just for this sake of this one earth, one world? When you are depressed you are always in the extreme. The extreme. Depression is a disease which makes you go to the extreme and does not make you do anything and makes you incapable. In depression mentally you are in extreme physically you will be incapable. Anything. That is what is called depression. Arjuna is in the peak of the depression and he continues to blabber, blabber, blabber.
What he blabbers, how he corners, how he tries to present his weak perverted disturbed logic to Krishna. See just day before yesterday we had a soora samhara in the Ashram. The story of Ganesha killing the Gaja Mukhasura. See just because the demon is made out of the material given by the God, demon does not become God. All the spare parts are same out of which God is made. Or I can say all the spare parts are given by God. But once you assemble it - it is not god. Same way, Arjuna is trying to use all the words given by Krishna but assembling it in such a way to fulfill his decisions, to justify his decisions. Let’s see the play Arjuna does in tomorrow’s satsang, continue in tomorrow’s satsang. Now in few moments sit surrendering yourself to Krishna so that he teaches you, he teaches all of us the right things in right time and takes care that we don’t miss him during our depression. Actually soon during next few days I will start teaching everyday one one kriya from Hata Yoga or any other tradition. So we will have Bhagavat Gita Satsang and at least one kriya practice every day! So whatever subject Gita is talking based on that subject one kriya related to that subject. Anyhow today all of you sit completely surrendering yourself to the Krishna, to the cosmic consciousness, the consciousness of incarnation that let us not miss the consciousness of incarnation during our depression. Let us be stable and turn towards only to master during all our challenging and depressive movements!
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