“Upadesha vedaath naiti chethna ubhayasmin api avirogaath”
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Upadesha vedaath naiti chethna ubhayasmin api avirogaath
BS 1st chapter 1st part 27th sutra
Ga – if it be argued that Brahman of earlier text is not referred to here on the account of the instruction we say no becos of no contradiction in either case
V – if it can be said that Gayatri..
S – if it be said that Brahman of the Gayathri passage….or the specification we reply no because in either designation there is nothing contrary to the recognition.
Vyasa continues to give some more arguments, references from the scriptures, references from the sruthis the experiences of the enlightened masters. To prove his point the word light, prana, space, Gayathri all are speaking only about Brahman! Let me see and give you all, all the references Vyasa gives. Here he refers the objection raised in the 24th sutra in the 1st chapter 1st part. Nullifies the argument saying that there is no contradiction in the description and recognition what is described and what is recognized. There is no contradiction. I think Vyasa was afraid that later on this understanding maybe disturbed. This understanding may be destroyed. This understanding maybe abused by the pundits by an ordinary foolish intellectuals. He is afraid that this concept may get disturbed in course of time that is why he is spending 2-3 sutras in just one concept. Vyasa is very balanced guy he is not the guy to use more & more words just unnecessarily. See in the Jain sutras and Buddhist sutras so much about non-stealing was emphasized. So many times about non-stealing they were speaking. So I was wondering. Because Mahavira and Buddha happened almost same time in same century…when I digged out the history, I saw that was the time so much of stealing and robbing was life style…if you rob a house you are a robber, if you rob a country you are a king. That’s all. ..they were not able to create that robbing is immoral into the common public. They were not able to create the idea robbing is wrong. No.
All religions are happenings to balance the society. When a society goes to the extreme of materialism, there happens religion to balance. See Jainism. Jains are so materialistic. Basically business community. That is why the religion of Jainism is completely against materialism…you can’t even use a razor which is not a luxury it is a basic comfort. You can’t …God saved me! I have so much of respect for many of the Jain philosophy, I am a great follower of Mahavira loved and respected by lot of Jains. And I myself have spoken on Jain sutras. You see that religion happened as a balancing effect for that community. I could see every religion is just a balancing of that community’s aspirations, balance of that community’s possibilities. In Tamil Nadu the extreme form of orthodoxy, rigidity started spreading in the name of religion in 1920s the early 1900s then happened another one religion called atheism just to bring balance. Means going to this extreme. And now atheist fellows have gone to the extreme of lunaticisim, ppl are feeling orthodoxy is much better. I am the game changer for Tamil Nadu! I am the pendulum mover for Tamil Nadu because at least orthodox fellows did not swindle the country. But this atheist fellows got the power swindled the whole country, looted it. every MLA, councellor, MP of that party is sitting on 1000s of crores, they don’t sit on hundreds of crores. They don’t believe respect the 100 crore and all. Head of the atheism the present guy who himself does not believe on atheism, just does business on the name of atheism…..this guy has an audacity to question about my wealth. He was writing some foolish articles which nobody reads. He was asking where did the 5,000 crore wealth came. I was also asking tell me where it is? Even I want to know it. I don’t want to bargain…anyhow this fellow insists that Government should take away my wealth. Not only that this fellow gives a long statememnt that Govt should take away the wealth of Padmanabha Swamy also and spend it on poor. Why don’t…first of all he did not make the money. It was given by his predecessor Periyaar to the trust. At least in my case I earned the whole thing. in his case he did not create. He grabbed. 2nd thing I wanted to throw a challenge to him…my wealth is created to spread certain ideology. …I will be in the street just with the dress I am wearing. Let him also start on the street with the dress he is wearing. We will see. We will start our career….wealth is actually side effect of what I am contributing to people. I am too useful to people so naturally they contribute. Let me see how much I am useful to people and you are useful to people and I wanted to record my thought on this wealth of this Padmanabhi Swami temple. Understand in Bharat deities have legal right to own wealth. In Bharat…
He does not want the opening of the underground cellars again…fortunately the Kerala CM has intelligence. So he has accepted this and made it as …but there is a donkey in Kerala which was ex-CM the communist fellow..this fool has no brain he lost all his brain. Of course how will you otherwise become a communist. No this fool goes on shouting saying that the king has stolen the wealth of Padmanabha Swamy which is a lie. I have never seen a more pious man than the present king of Trivandrum. I have seen thousands of people….robbing the whole country. I have seen all types of fellows but I have not seen a pious honest dignified man like the present king of Trivandrum…what stealing it is. It is his treasure. One good thing the Supreme Court did not order to open the …thiefs, swindlers as per the Bharatn law deity has a right to own wealth and the maintainers, protectors, the worshippers of the deity are representing the will of the deity. So the whole wealth should be left in the underground at the feet of Padmanabha Swamy as it is. Pl und it is not just precious gold, diamond or wealth, many of them are energized objects…so nobody has the right to touch them, value them, look at them…even with commercial eyes. They are all our sacred sentiments. See once a diamond jewelry is put on Venkateshwara, it is no more a diamond. It is an embodiment of our sacred sentiements! Let this fool understand we are living beings and we all have sentiments. This idiot should stop playing with our sentiment. I am making this as a clear statement and recording my opinion….it does not need to be told in a closed class room. I wanted to tell all our ppl. You may think what this BS and this wealth has to do. It has to do something…that is why he is insisting he does not want to be stolen by the intellectual thiefs….and now itself I wanted to record this statement. Anything materialized by my presence thourh any devotee or any of my deities anywhere around the world, should not be used for commercial purposes…whether the object, vibhooti or kumkum or anything. Because I am now going to bless, many of our devotees and many of our deities are going to continuously materialize many things. Especially….so many of our temples will start continuously materializing. So nothing should be used for commercial purpose because it has lot of sacred sentiments …there is lot of sacred sentiment of it. I am getting jewler to anylse the molecular structure…it will not be like ordinary object. So there is lot of sacred sentiments associated to those objects. And this kiah kiah Veeramani goes on screeming which should be used for the welfare of the poor people….grabbed thru 2G share all that with the world. ….why only money donated to temples and religious trusts be used for welfare of the people? Unfortunately because they have media in their hands, they talk any foolish things and it gets published, released, heard. Whatever we say is never heard. Just today we received an official communication…the moment the y sent a message, we were all happy that we can do now beautiful social service int eh line of medical field in the society…100% free medical care to the …and 1st thing I told my secretary don’t allow any fellow connected some way to Nakheeran in the hospital.t hey will go out and say their brain has been stolen. How will you prove? ..becasue we all know that none of them have no brain. They will come …fool you did not have it when you took birth…so it is dangerous to allow ppl who don’t have brain into your campus for many reasons. Sometime we can go and tell their brain has been stolen.
All moments, religions, thought currents, philosophies evolved just to balance the need. Things need to be in balance. You can’t live in extremes. I have seen in my life with my experience with the disciples, the disciples who are completely lazy they can’t live in that extreme, they come down. The problem is once the mental structure of lazy…you only try to do something abusive. Try to do some politics pulling ppl down, destroying ppl, abusing ppl. Very difficult. That is why I say laziness should not be entertained even as the extreme. Restlessness is okay even if it is this extreme. Becos when you come back to the center you will not become a politician…..the restlessness extreme guy will not become a politician, he will nto become cunning, criminal..but eh laziness guy when he comes down he will become cunning
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The sacred secret in this sutra is insistence. He is insisting again & again that through the word light, space, prana and Gayathri, only Brahman is referred. Because Vyasa was afraid these intellectual guys may hijack his philosophies, they may steal the …all the religions, all the philosophies evolved for balancing. One story for all of you about balancing –
God was in the process of creating the universe and he was explaining to all his subordinates, all the devatas, all his angels…look here my dear angels. In Bharat we don’t even know what is security and what is high alert.
Upadesha vedaath naiti chethna ubhayasmin api avirogaath
See in Sanskrit you can repeat any concept only 3 times. …any concept anything you can say only 3 times. Not more than that. so he is using maximum no. of times allowed the 3 times to insist on this concept. …
Vyasa is repeating becos last 3 sutras he is continuously talking the same thing. why you know sometimes ppl come to the same conclusion before you conclude. So the great truth…becos the grammar is not allowing. But it should not be told less than 3 times. Becos even in ordinary way of conversation life you come to your own conclusion before the other person comes to a conclusion.
A beautiful typist comes out of the boss room …she says he asked me are you free tonight? I said smilingsly yes. The guy gave me 50 pages to type! ☺
One more story how you come to conclusions –
There is a great Satyavaan Savithri story in Inida. Husband dies and wife fights with lord of death Yama…the moral of the story is no one can save you from your wife not even Yama Raja! This seems to be too much ☺ ppl derive their own morals, their own understandings, their own stories, their own conclusions. Vyasa does not want all of us to miss the truths …
Upadesha vedaath naiti chethna ubhayasmin api avirodaath
Sometime masters repeat the same concept, the same truth to make your conscious mind bore so that your unconscious absorbs this. see this guy Hitler makes this statement….if you repeat the lie 100 times it almost appears like a truth. When you repeat truth for first time, it always appears like a lie. ..that is why Vyasa goes on tries to repeat. …I was really shocked it is not even a national news. Even if the video is truth, it is not a national news. Fellows, I have come out now, I will destroy your Samraajya now! They show only for 4 days, now I am going to shake these fellows for at least next 100 years sitting int his body. but I may not need to talk for 100 years because they may disappear very soon. What are they thinking? This is the way they made even life appear like truth. But here Vyasa repeats this truth again & again so that you accept and understand from the right angle. Even if you have missed once because many time even during the Satsang ppl change channels means slept off. So how in the news they say headlines once more for the ppl who are tuning now, same way Vyasa repeats headlines once more for ppl who woke up now. He insists on the right understanding and disciples not missing the great truth, the right truth because sometime you have your own understanding about things. You have your own ideas. I can say the biggest problem human beings have is unable to look around. Unable to open the eyes and look everything. They are so short sighted, narrow minded, much worse than blind people. Sometime I wonder how still the human society is alive! There is so much of unconsciousness and so much of confusion. Small story –
2 kids were talking how their fathers are frightened and scared. One child says my father is so scared even if he hears the sound of lightening if he is all alone…that is nothing my father is so scared that when my mother is in the night shift, he ….many time you do not connect the scene with the right logic. Learn to connect the scene with the right logic. You come up with your own logic it is really scary. See only after …..people live with all scary logics. It much worse than forests where lions and heynas and tigers live. It is like whoever makes loud noise they seem to be winning. They seem to be the truthful guys. What do women and police cops have in common? They both make lot of noise to let you know they are coming! No whoever makes lot of noise seems to be the people who are winning. It is unfortunate people live in unconsciousness and scary logic. Maybe the sacred secret you need to catch from this sutra is be more alive, look around, capture the truths, learn. Learn it. catch it.
Prajnaanam Brahma – Intelligence is God! Awareness and ability to adopt with all the cognizance you have taken based on your awareness is enlightenment! Awareness and ability to iron out your life based on all the cognizance you have taken in that life due to that awareness.
Guy says to his friend my wife is an angel. Second guy says you are lucky my wife is still alive ☺
Statement is made for a diff reason and the guy understands in a diff reason. In Tamil grammar there is a unique branch in the poetry section called…means you say words which looks like praising but which is not. I can say all of us understand our life only in this way. If we are praising it looks like praising it is not, if we are blaming, it looks like blaming finally which is not. Everything boils down to our whims and fancies just what we want to perceive not what is. I read a one liner the most effective way to remember your wife’s birthday is you forget it once. If you forget it once what happens at that time is the best way …
The most effective way to get enlightened is to become an Bharatn politician in one birth! So whatever you go through in that one birth is enough next time you will never ask for birth. The sacred secret from this sutra catch it at least now. Become little more aware, little more alive. Make yourself little more open. Look around go on trying to catch the larger picture of the scene you are in. for example if you are an IT ….exact purpose of the whole …the broad vision. Finally what role…what role cosmos is playing in the existence, go on expanding your understanding to the braoder & broader. That is what I call, that is what I mean by the word look around. If you are part of ND just see what way I am fitting in, what way the ND is fitting in the planet earth, what way planet earth is fitting in with the cosmos. Is everything in tune, sync? If I am fitting in ND is my ideas and ideals of Dhyanapeetam….human society is fitting in with ideas and ideals of planet earth…with …of the existence. Go on expanding the broader & broader vision that is what exactly I mean be little more aware. Catch it. that is the only way to catch the truth in your life and raise the spectrum of your consciousness.
So the subject for today’s KM, VP is becoming more aware. Why the masters need to repeat same thing again & again. Is Vyasa repeating same thing again and again is it boring repetition or intelligent insistence. …only when you look back you understand sometime….now it has become a part of my bio memory because it has been
A guy says my wife and I were happy for 20 years. Then what happened. then we met each other! when you look back you understand. When I look back I understand it was not boring repetition, it was intelligent insistence. So let the VP, KM happen is all repetitions …don’t prepare for today’s lecture you repeat the same thing from yesterday. I don’t think Vyasa is doing that. neither Vyasa is doing that nor I am doing that. see I brought so many stories and jokes…it is not non-preparation of Guru reason for repetition, it is non-preparation of disciple reason for repetition…
So be prepared for today’s KM, VP whether these repetitions are boring repetitions or intelligent insistence.
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