“Let us enter into today’s Satsang Bhagavad Gita.”

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Let us enter into today’s Satsang Bhagavad Gita. Y’day I left it with 39th verse. Let us start in the 40th verse

1st chapter, 40th verse AVY

Kulakshaye pranshyanti kuladharmaaha sanaatanaaha dharme nashte kulam krisnam adharmo abhivadyutaha

With destruction of dynasty the age old family traditions die and virtue having been lost vice overtakes the entire race!

Arjuna is giving his predictions – 2 to whom? Krishna. That is the most funny things. See if he is talking to anybody else, …to Krishna. See all these things are amazing Dharma. The logic with which he is putting the words…dynasty, the age old family….entire race – repeat. Yes everybody will agree. Even I will agree completely with this as a promoter of stable family and joint family concept. I always feel with stable and joint families you will have less suffering, more energy. But to be in it..you should have so much of understanding. Oh God! It is almost like a you need a group of enlightened beings. It’s a huge effort! Especially joint family. It does so much for the inner growth. I checked, tested scanned all types of life styles. So from my research for common man the best life style will be joint families. Either blood related joint families like all brothers living together, like Bharat we had this system. The father has 5 sons, all the 5 sons even after the marriage will live as a large joint family. Till 2 years before my own mothers father’s family was a huge joint family…all of them stayed with their father, mother. Till the father was dead all of them were together. Or ideological joint families…and all of you gather and live together. Of course in modern day I think ideological joint families are not possible. I tried in 5-6 places. Except in Bidadi where I am alive…all other places it is a failure. So human beings are not mature to live as ideological joint families…as a promoter of JF or SF system I do understand what Arjuna is trying to tell. But to whom he is trying to tell is the funny thing. and not only that. now his predictions are not going to solve the problems. So many things we need to understand. First his concerns are out of unconsciousness. He is not conscious of what he is talking. Second, his reasonings are from engrams not from understanding. Please understand, even if it looks like a right reason, if it is from engram, if it is not from right reasoning you are in soup! You are in soup.

Girl gets married goes for honeymoon after a week mother calls up and asks how did your honeymoon go? She said fantastic, extraordinary, unimaginable. But when we were driving back after the honeymoon we had a fight. Now I decided to leave him. please come and take me. she said what are you talking just now marriage is over, honeymoon was over. You are talking about separation. No what happened. she started crying. He started using all 4 letter words which I never heard. Mother said tell me what did he tell. She said …which has hurt you so much? She was still sobbing and she said mother words like wash, iron, cook, dust! ☺ he wants me to do all this. she doesn’t know what she is talking.

I can say Arjuna is exactly in that position! Arjuna does not feel power. Please understand it is not that his logic is not convinced about the war. He does not have the power to execute. When he does not have power, he ….courage or power to go into this war. He brings all perverted logical reasons. Please understand, if he goes to Krishna and says I feel powerless pl just do what needs to be done then the whole history would have been diff. feeling powerless but using the perverted logic. That is where the whole problem starts

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He says the age old family traditions die and virtue having been lost vice overtakes the entire race. As if the war is not happening, if the war…taken over the entire race. He only said people like Duryodhana evil minded. Just in the first few sutras he says evil minded Duryodhana. Means he already feels …by the vice. He already feels wrong people are doing. Then how come suddenly he says after the war the vice may take over the entire race? He is just completely imbalanced. He is searching for some reason. He is just searching, searching.

Rich man had the habit of growing allegators as his pet in his backyard. Slowly he developed large number, a huge lake. One day he was throwing a party. All his friends gathered. They were all enjoying drink and food. Suddenly he announced anybody who has courage to jump into this lake, swim and cross and comes out, I will give a billion dollar or my daughter in marriage. Suddenly ….young man swimming really for life. Finally he manages to get out, he only lost his shirt. He comes out looks around this side & that side. The owner the host goes near him with lot of pride. He says I appreciate your extraordinary couage. Now choose …listen I don’t want your money nor your daughter. I want the person who pushed me into that water. He is searching for something else! ☺

Understand Arjuna is also not finding the right reason. He really only wants the fellow who pushed him into the mess…it is the identity which he started showing to his family which he slowly slowly started believing as he is responsible for the whole mess he created. See if he did not show too much of courage and valor..to his family, Draupadi would not have taught about him too much and she would not taken that vow…ordinay people so let me live a normal life. Let me not try to go and figh with this Duryodhanas. But this guy Arjuna showed certain identity about himself to his family and slowly he started believing that as himself. It started building, building. Out of the identity he was..showing the whole family started making decisions….is responsible now for the mess they are in! so it is Arjuna who is responsible…now he comes out and says I want the fellow who pushed me in. and he is trying to find all sorts of reasons, all sorts of concepts, all sorts of words. That is the right word I will use. It is not even logic. It is just word. Pl und sometime the word solution is not solution. Sometime the word logic is not logical. He does not even have reasons. He just has words. Nothing other than words.

I have a story –

An engineer, physicist and a mathematician are staying in a hotel…fills a trash can from his room with water and closes the fire. Goes back to bed. Later the physicist wakes up and smells smoke…fire hose calculating the flame velocity, distance, water pressure,e tc extinguishes the fire with min amt of water and energy n eeded. Later …then the fire hose, he thinks for a moment and then exclaims Ah! A solution extist and goes back to b ed.

Solution by a mathematician is just a word not solution. Some time the word is a word is a word not life. Here Arjuna is …you should have just told alright you guys rule the country, we will be int eh forest itself. We will develop our own life, our own place. That’s it. you will go aall out, have diff vows shouting fighting based on the identity which you yourself don’t feel strongly. Create all the mess. Finally now when you are in a mess you think oh God! Your try to bring all possible logic, perverted reasons, I can say it is like getting married without knowing the side effects and after effects. See your identity is like marriage only. When you try to create an identity which you are not, it is like marriage only. …

One day….finally sees husband sitting on the dining table in the hall sipping cup of coffee without sleeping staring thru the window..yes I remember. Then he told me either marry her or go to prison for 20 years. She says yes I remember! You know I would have gotten out today if I chose the other option, I would have gotten out today ☺ understand creating the identity which you are not and making you few ppl around you believe..your prison has started! Your bondage has started. You will continuously make decisions based on that. just becos of your family pressure. See here the big soup Arjuna is in. he created an identity that is a courageous warrior which is not 100% true…but he has projected more than what he can. Made his family believe…make all decisions based on that identity naturally which lead him one by one one lead to the other, to the other and now he is a big soup, big mess. He says

REPEAT VERES

Virtue having been lost vice overtakes the entire race. I really don’t understand. It is like bringing the logic which at least 100 times you would have thought and thrown out while making decisions. It is like you are climbing Kailash and cant carry much luggage. You throw away some of the things less imp. But after going there, you realize you can’t climb anyhow. Then you think oh God! Why did I throw this luggage, that luggage there itself…bringing the logic which you would have analyzed and found solution 100 times again just because you are not able to proceed further is the most funniest thing. please understand most funny….repeats verse

Too late. One guy goes to the symmetry puts flower on his brother’s tomb. …crying, crying, crying too profusely. This man was not able to control himself. Went to the mourner and said …you are crying so much. May I know so that I will see can I be of any help. The mourner took a moment to collect himself and replied…actually he was rolling why did you have to die? Why did you die? Anyhow finally the mourner….this is my wife’s first husband!

Sometime the mourning statements are too late. See now what Arjuna is talking is a mourning statement. It is not a logical reason. It …went thru all this logic sat with Krishna and admin meeting going thru…Krishna do you have any answer? Shall we think of other alternatives or other options? How do you face the whole thing? then it would have been a logic. When it is too late. The statements are only mourning. They don’t make sense. In your life many times your logic is used at the time only mourning can be done. Not anything else. Don’t use your logic at the time you need to mourn. Don’t mourn at the time you need to use your logic. Here Arjuna is trying to use his logic. But because it is too late, it can only be mourning. It cannot be logic.

Let us enter into

Adharma abhibhaavaat Krishna pradushyanti kulastriyaha streeshu dushtaasu vaarshneya jayate varna sankaraha!

Arjuna says when non-righteous practices become common oh Krishna! …decendent of Krishni ensues mix of caste

Now he is bringing one of the important core concept of the Vedic social system. The caste system. Even though it is abused so much by the British and all the fellows who want to destroy our Vedic tradition and culture. I can say the most abused social system externally and internally but still oldest social system responsible for keeping the oldest human civilization alive, intact for the longest period of time on planet earth is varnaashrama dharma. Understand so much of disrespect is done to this system. As if in the Western countries they don’t have ….they have based on money and color of skin. We have based on intelligence and dedication contribution to the society. Pl und our classification was very clear. It was not based on birth. The western rulers ..i….if a group evolves to a better understanding and life style. The high communities the upper class was always…converted to upper class ppl, upper community ppl. Ramanuja converting all the suppressed community ppl into Iyengars Brahmins…and Basavanna converting all the suppressed community ppl into the Lingaayaths..t.here are thousands of references. Again & again it is the Western rulers when they came in they wanted some method and technique to divide and rule…they created an idea community is based on brith it is frozen. It was not frozen. Even krishna …mental set up. Not based on brith! I know how media can completely twist, present and misrepresent the concepts and ideas abusively. Same way becos British had media in their hands, they established media in Bharat and still West has media power. They spend billions of dollars…this system is something completely to be discarded or thrown out. I tell you thyis system may need little alteration, touch up, painting…but the sytem itself is not wrong. The system does not have a cnacer. It only has a skin problem. …only what we are having now this system is cancerous. But unfortunately, the western historians the western rulers with vested interest the British fellows to rule us made even Bharatn…were made to believe the community system, varnaashrama dharma is cancerous. No. it is not cancerous.

Understand I myself not born int eh Brahmin community, highest community. But I tell you just becos I am born in a lower community, I don’t want to say the whole system is wrong. No. it is an amazing r\&d. I can say at least 5k yrs of r\&d of inner world and outer world..the goal of human beings. The ultimate goal of human beings and theimmd necessity…everything was throught thru. I can tell you you cannot replace the community system with any other system with such less problems. Compared to any other system I can say this is 1000s and 1000s times better. That is why this system is keeping us alive for thousands and thousands of years! It is one of the key concepts of Bharatn Vedic social civilization. I can say the social concept of Vedic civilization.so including Krishna nobody may want to destroy that system. So Arjuna is using that as a blackmailing point. Pl und it is not that really really Arjuna is interested about it…then two days before he courld have had that discussion ebfore having eht whole world fight..he maybe talking right words, but he is not talking with right logic. It may look like right word when the right logic is not backing it up. Only when right logic backs up…otherwise it is cereated like a sound….

When non righteous practices…

How many women he corrupted nobody knows! He is a big womanizer. AARJUNA THE GUY GOES FOR HUNTING, DOES NOT HUNT dear, hunts something else, somebody else’s wife. Suddenly he starts talking about women of the family become corrupt and to whom Krishna. Who is another one I cant use the word womanizer for Krishna becos the very space is diff. but at least for Arjuna I can use the word. But all this you should have thought about just few days before. Now it is too late. Before making all the big big scenes. I can say all the engrams of Arjuna are coming out. Not the intelligence. The greatness of madness is will not even know you are mad! The power of engrams is will not even understand and think you are caught. ….each engram will say Tatvamasi. Guru also says Tatvamasi. The problem is whom you are going to listen. Are you going to listen when you engram says Tatvamasi or when your Guru says Tatvamasi. Which one you are going to listen that is going to decide the course of your life. Here Arjuna are saying Tatvamasi and Arjuna is holding loud speaker for it. he says….dont support your engraved memories. Don’t give loud speaker for your engraved memories!

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Suddenly he says Krishna see now because he is talking about the concept of family and community, he is calling Krishna by name Vrushni which is related to Krishna’s family. He is extraordinary intelligence. Arjuna is trying to play with extraordinary intelligence like an extrarod intelligent person. I will expand on this sutra further tomorrow. Becos this community concept the caste system needs to be understood. Why Arjuna is referring to that? what is it really? I will expand on it step by step spending little more time. So today I will end the Satsang with this. lets sit for few minutes remembering Krishna dn surrendering to him and exp his presence.

Calgary & Kamal Tiwari from Sydney. Blessings!