“‘Rebirth - a fantasy or reality’; morning satsang subject.”
‘Rebirth - a fantasy or reality’; morning satsang subject. I have some quotations and discoveries, inventions, opinions of researchers and scientists. Roger J Woolger a psychotherapist of modern age gives evidences for diseases that got cured when the past life trauma was removed. He quotes woman’s chronic migraine disappeared after reliving the agony of a seven year old dying from the head wounds inflicted with an iron bar wielded by her father. These are some of the direct experiences of the people who work in the line of past life; who work in the line of past life regressions.
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Woolger refers to the physical manifestations of apparent past life experiences as inherited structures; the physical manifestations of apparent past life experiences as inherited structures. A weak stomach may carry; a weak stomach may carry past life memories of poisoning, starvation and dysentery. He is right. If you have a past life memory of poisoning, dysentery or starvation your stomach can be weak. Not only that even if the, if you see continuously people who starve or poisoned, having dysentery, understand even if you see, because whenever you see psychological weakness or physiological weakness the first thing you do is put yourself in that position and see. That is the basic nature of human being. That is the root of social conditioning.
Please understand all social conditioning is not forced on you by society. Anything happens in society; you put yourself in that position and see what will I do if I am in that position? That is where you take social conditioning upon you. Society does not condition you. You get conditioned by society. It’s totally different. See there is so much happening, really even your parents are not such cruel people to make you like this. No. They are not cruel, they are ignorant. Understand, only when you understand they are ignorant you can forgive them and get out of this conditioning.
Understand there is so much happens around. Whenever you put yourself in that position you associate completely yourself in that position. When you feel the click, that possibility for you to be in that position exists, see when you see for example you are ten million worth as per the western language, if you think you are ten million worth whenever you see a person twenty million worth you know the possibility for you to be in his position exists. So all his good part of the life and bad part of the life you start thinking; contemplating. If I am in his position and if that good thing hits me what will I do? If that bad thing hits me what will I do? This is what is your future planning. You know the possibility, it clicks, then you put yourself in that position and whatever happens in you is called conditioning.
Understand, understand this point, the conditioning, when you feel the click, the possibility for you to exist there exists, immediately you start thinking putting yourself in that position and start seeing the positive and negative. Positive and negative and anything happens in you when you contemplate on that positive and negative is called social conditioning. So when somebody is seen food poisoned, starvation, dysentery you always put yourself in that position. May be when it comes to the extreme of food poisoning you think no, no, no, that may not happen in my life but there is a possibility of dysentery. What will I do if this happens in me? Immediately your DNA is conditioned now. Understand not only the second layer past means, the past life dysentery, food poisoning and starvation, even in the first layer past, in past living also you catch this kind of engrams through putting yourself in that position. Actually all the calamity and chaos is just because you constantly putting yourself in somebody’s position.
See you don’t have base on you; you don’t get rooted in you. You go on putting yourself in somebody’s position and the ideas which you collected about society; this is the way it should be, this is the way it should be, this is the way it should be. All are just you putting yourself in somebody else’s position. When you put constantly yourself in somebody else’s position and see; ‘what will I do if that comes to me’ ‘what will I do if this comes to me’ ‘Oh God I think it will be great’ and ‘Oh god I don’t think I can handle it’. These two are social conditioning, this two are social conditioning. I can see how the past life and past living are almost, I can say almost one and the same. I have to use the word almost because it is not exactly; more than 90% one and the same. All the first layer past life, past living theories will, can be adopted into second layer past life theory or call second layer theories which is worthy or which can be adopted in the past lives, will be adopted in past living.
How you get conditioned by society and constantly entertain, cherish, the sufferings and the karma whether it is in the plane of economy or in the plane of physical health or in the plane of relationships you always put yourself in somebody’s position and plan. What will I do? Oh God! Is it not great if I am in his position or I don’t think I will be able to handle if I am in his shoes. This two, if you can just avoid this two as far as your awareness goes, as much as your awareness penetrates, as much as your consciousness goes, just see your awareness, your consciousness, your intelligence; that much you avoid that’s enough.
It’s a very beautiful stotra. I am not able to tell you exactly verse but I can share that sentiment with you from Kabir. I am going through some of the great songs of Kabir to learn Hindi. You should learn a language only from poetry never from a prose. That is why all our vedic traditional teaching system was based on poetry. Never prose was written in our vedic tradition. In no language which took birth from Sanskrit whether it is a Tamil Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam, Hindi, Bengali, Oriya, all the languages which I know took birth from Sanskrit have no writing in prose. The writing in prose has started only few hundred years before. Whether it is a Marathi, any language you analyze, there is no writing in prose, because the methodology of teaching was always through poetry. I think eN Vidyalaya should imbibe this system. Learn more, the language teaching and learning should be based on poetry; more poetry based less prose based. Prose should be only used to explain poetry but should never be a writing lesson. Writing should always be through poetry.
When you learn a language through poetry, you will be a poet. See being a poet is not just a intellectual capability, it is a existential reality. See there are some things which are not intellectual capability, existential reality. If there is no gap between your intellectual capabilities and existential realities you are enlightened; that’s all.
See whatever you are showing to the world - poetry, writing, singing, dancing or spiritual knowledge; whatever you are showing to the world if it is your existential reality, you are enlightened. If you don’t show anything to the world and you don’t have anything and being not having anything is your existential reality, you are enlightened. There are so many people I know they have not shown anything to the world, any intellectual capability and they did not have; they are enlightened. They lived an enlightened life. The mouni babas, Baul mystics, tantric saints, wandering monks, parivrajakaacharyas; they did not show any extraordinary intellectual capability to the world. They just know they do not have. Whatever they were showing is their existential reality. They are enlightened. Being a poet, being a dancer, being a singer or being an intellectual orator or being a writer should be an existential reality not just intellectual capability.
When you teach a language to a child he should just sing in that language. His whole inner space should be singing. So for the sake of others to understand you can translate that song into words; that’s all. But he himself should be just humming inside. When I read Kabir that’s what I understood. Oh God! this fellow I know for sure never had any thoughts in his life. He had only poets in his life; because you cannot go that depth of sentiments, extraordinary sentiments, the sacred sentiments. He is expressing one sacred sentiment -‘Please don’t appear, oh my beloved don’t appear in front of me. Even remembering that you may enter my house, my eye is already come out to see you to grab your form. Never ever do the mistake of appearing. I don’t know what will happen’.
Understand the second sacred sentiment. I expressed only one. The second only connects that Kabir’s sentiment and the concept which I am talking. The second sentiment is ‘Just because my senses are completely outside my system outside my prana sharira to grab you, there is nobody to process information and create social conditioning inside. Only if you understand the sacred sentiments, actually if you yourself have experienced at least once or twice that your senses are lost in the glory of the Master and there is nobody sitting inside doing some social conditioning and grumbling, grudging about who gets more time around Master or who gets more attention or.....When you don’t have, when you yourself have experienced those few moments or who gets bigger post in the organization who is in bigger hierarchy in the organization…….See always males suffer with the hierarchy, females suffer with attention. When you don’t have that two, just by being lost, the senses are protruding, just going out of your prana sharira to grab him, to grab his presence. If you experience this for few second then you will understand what Kabir is singing; because sacred sentiments can be understood only if you had one iota of that understanding.
See if Kabir sings 100 sacred sentiment, if you understand at least one unit of one sentiment as experience in you, only then you can even grab that 100 unit of his pleasure or the intensity of his sacred sentiment. This is one of the basic lesson you need to have to grab the strength of sacred sentiments. That is why, when a young man goes to Ramanujacharya he asks I want to achieve that parabhakti, devotion; that great devotion. Ramanuja asks “Have you loved anybody have you fallen in love with somebody in your life”. This fellow says “No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, what nonsense!! I am a born celibate; balabrahmachari. No, I lived a pure life. What are you talking? I came to you for parabhakti”. Then Ramanuja says “Relax!
Go back. First learn falling in love with somebody and come back. I can teach you parabhakti”.
Really, you need to experience at least one ray of that sacred sentiment. Actually when you really, really, really, fall in love even in ordinary way, what you call as ordinary way, a ray of sacred sentiment will be awakened in you even with an ordinary person; because at one point you may have to sacrifice the constant remembrance of me, me, me, me, me, which is the root of all suffering. You may have to just push that away for few seconds so that one moment you would have had that sacred sentiment experience; that one unit. That one unit is enough for you to grab what Andal would have felt with Krishna or Meera would have felt with Krishna or Manikyavasagar would have felt with Shiva or Ramana Maharishi would have felt with Arunachala.
Read his Marital garland of letters for Arunachala ‘Aksharamanamalai’ extreme, extreme, I don’t have any word. If I have to say naked madhura bhava; a unhidden unclothed madhura bhava. I have not seen any deeper or naked madhura bhava work than Aksharamanmalai; the marital garland of letters put by Ramana Maharishi to Arunachala. I can never…..when I really, really started deeply understanding…..you see earlier when I used to see Bhagavan’s photo, his teachings, that who am I and all that, I used to have a great respect. Of course it’s not that afterwards I lost. A great, very untouchable respect…… Oh! great Avatara purusha just sitting in a deep calmness and peace and that eternal silence under a small hut gazing the great hill and its silence being immersed in the satchitananda akhanda paripoorna brahma swaroopa; the whole understanding and relationship was great and elderly, amazing saint .
Only when I read his Aksharamanamalai, the marital garland of letters, I thought Oh God!!!! I can say in the initial level my understanding about Ramana Maharishi was respect based more Dasa bhava. When you see, he opening up himself to Arunachala and really it is a great opening up aar kavanai andanai agathidil akhilam badithidum Arunachala. “For whose sake”, if I have to translate very crude form “you grabbed me or you snatched me. Now if you forsake me the whole world will abuse you”. What a, what a secret or a personal intimate sacred sentiment “Aimbula kalvar agathinil pugumbudu agathini ilayo Arunachala. You are the owner of my house you are supposed to be possessive of me but these five senses, these thieves are coming and trying to rape me are you not aware. Are you a man?” He is asking iduoe aanmai Arunachala; are you a man?
The greatness of the sacred sentiments is you will feel so deeply connected to the person and the object to which the person is expressing the sentiment. See for example when Manikyavasagar sings about Arunachala, Shiva it is not that when you read that sacred sentiment you will feel connected only to the Shiva. You will feel connected to Manikyavasagar also. When Kabir sings on Ram it is not you will feel connected only to Ram you will feel connected to Kabir also. Because he is letting you experience your intimacy; his intimacy with his beloved he is opening up. Same way when you know the sacred sentiments of Ramana Maharishi, it is not that you will feel connected only to Arunachala you will feel connected to him also. So my whole relationship to Ramana Maharishi got completely changed when I understood the Aksharamanamalai. Oh God when this guy when he is looking at Arunachala what he must be thinking? I used to think earlier when he is gazing at Arunachala, Oh he is in samadhi, great guy just being in nirvikalpa.
This sacred sentiment of Kabir, I don’t know who gave me the book; there is a beautiful book in my room ‘Love songs of Kabir’. Very, I have read at least few books on Kabir but this selection was amazing. Some of these guys Rumi, Kabir, this Manikyavasagar, Oh God! I feel just to enjoy these fellows I want to assume more and more and more bodies; nothing else just to enjoy these fellows; this Kabir, Rumi, Manikyavasagar.
I tell you a man who does not know how to enjoy sacred sentiments; he is missing one of the greatest inner gadget in his life. For example if you guys are not having any of the outer gadgets like a cell phone, laptop and any outside outer gadgets just think of your life. If you just, suddenly overnight all the gadgets from the outer world are not there with you, how you will feel? That’s a same way these guys who don’t know how to experience these sacred sentiments. They do not have the inner world gadgets. If you have the outer world gadgets you can do so many things in the outer world. Same way this enjoying this sacred sentiments is the inner world gadget. These sacred sentiment of Kabir - my senses are protruding just feeling that you may come sometime to my hut, to grab your form. But never do the mistake of coming because I don’t know what will happen to me and just because of this, there is nobody inside to process information and create social conditioning. So enlightenment happens as the side effect.
That is why this bhaktas don’t care about gnana. Bhakta this great devotees don’t care about enlightenment. No really, bhaktas don’t care for gnana because when the senses protrude into something and being lost there is nobody to create social conditioning. So, from the young age enjoying sacred sentiment; that gadget should be made available to all our kids. It’s an instruction for eN Vidyalaya and all our devotees who have kids. They should take this as a one more smruti code. So every day in my morning satsangs whenever I want I will go on be revealing this smruti codes. Let them take it. This is a one more smruti code. Our devotees, disciples, followers, who have kids should encourage, initiate and teach our kids how to enjoy sacred sentiments. Either making them listen or read or understand or work with it. There are so many ways, you can think, but enjoying sacred sentiment is a inner world gadget and more the teaching and learning process should be based on poetry as much as possible. Prose should be used only to make them understand poetry; that’s all. Otherwise the backbone of the teaching structure should be poetry; so that they will learn more to be with the, live with the existential reality than intellectual capability.
So the essence of today’s message is this sacred sentiment. Social conditioning happens in you when you constantly put yourself in others positions; whether it clicks with you or does not click with you. If it clicks with you, you may create fear and greed. That becomes social conditioning. If it does not click with you again there is a gap and that becomes social conditioning. Stop doing that internal process; constant chewing, putting yourself in others position; that’s the first. Second; how to do? For the how to, the instruction for how to is learn to lose yourself in the sacred sentiments. Learn to lose yourself in the sacred sentiments. It’s very easy it is not a big thing; it’s not a big thing. The moment I describe some sacred sentiment about love if you just have that secret joy inside and that uncontrollable smile, then be very clear you have the inner world gadget. You have that inner world gadget. Be proud about it celebrate you have it. Unfortunately we take this all for granted. In the world many people don’t have. If you have, celebrate, enjoy. Whatever you celebrate will grow in you. If you don’t have, create; create one. It’s possible it is possible.
So I have given clear goal and the path for not allowing more and more engrams accumulating in you and reliving the past, relieving it in the present, reviving your future, rewiring your brain. With so much of knowledge, energy, intelligence, healing millions of people, initiating thousands of people, still some part of me is sitting like a child and shedding tears for Siva Puranam and the Devaaram. When I hear in that car or morning, morning when I get up and try to do my so called body stretching, it will be very funny if you see I will try to hold the wall and do something. I can see very clearly that wall is begging, should I stand or move, tell me what do you want me to do. Because I will be pushing, the wall feels are you pushing me, just tell me at least I will move. I will tell no, no, no, all you guys will be in your position. I am trying to do something with my body; relax! Because I got my some steel pieces, dumbles and all, the moment I try to hold and squeeze, that elements the molecules in that steel ask should I change? Tell me what you want me to do? I say no you remain in your place in your shape. I don’t want that. I am trying to do something with this structure.
So anyhow even during those few moments, when those sacred sentiments I hear, this Devaram only, Devaram and Thiruvasaram, at that time oh God!! Yaanei poi yennejum poi yenanbum poi. See he describes I am a lie my heart is a lie my love is a lie and but vinayen anaal vinayen aludal unai perulame. Person with so much of karmas, vinayen means the person with so much of karmas, if I melt down I can have you. See I already had him I am having him so I don’t need to feel melt down with this sacred sentiment. See this idea I am lie, my heart is lie, does not directly fit with me because whatever is the lie part is already disappeared and the person with so much of karma that also does not fit with me. I don’t have any karma and if I melt down I can have you. That also does not fit with me. Already I have him. I have whatever need to be had. But even then with all this, looking from the other shore, see there are two shores; a seeker and attained; advaita and dvaita. Tasting the water which runs in the other shore has always a secret taste.
Sometime I wonder what is going on and it is such a sweet feeling, it’s like a after you became a big guy, established guy, going back to your school, and just looking around and donating them some money. See you are when you were in the school you were not enjoying, now you are liberated from it but you can go back and show who you are. Same way now you are no more a seeker; that feeling the other shore is not binding you but you can just visit the other shore and from the other shore look at this shore, how it feels. The ‘sacred sentiments’ gives you the joy of all sides of enlightenment.
I tell you sacred sentiments is the focus light put on all sides on a temple tower. You see advaita anubhooti enlightenment experience; like a temple tower it stands. But the focus lights put on eight direction that suddenly lits the whole tower and the whole tower is seen in a different perception. You experience the whole tower in a different way because of this few focus lights. The sacred sentiments are like different focus lights. Dasa bhava, matru bhava, sakha bhava and madhura bhava, the different, maha bhava, different focus lights to see the different dimensions of the temple tower. Extraordinary sacred sentiments, I can say ‘sacred sentiments’ is the technique to clean your third layer past; big bang to this moment.
Kabir!! What a plane of consciousness these guys would have lived what a space they would have floated. ‘Sacred sentiments’ makes enlightenment as immediate. You see whatever makes your goal as a goal for you is gnana. Whatever makes your goal as immediate for you is bhakti. That’s all is the definition. Anything makes your goal as immediate is bhakti. The sacred sentiments make the whole experience as now; immediate. Yaane poi yennejum poi yennanbum poi; if you just sit and see, the whole thing is true because any moment your mind can change; any moment what you think as you changes. The very idea you have about you changes.
Yaane poi yennejum poi my heart is a lie; very shallow. Morning it feels love evening it feels hatred next day morning it feels agitated by evening it feels irritated and from third day every time it feels irritated and after third day no change. yennejum poi yenanbum poi my love is a lie. If there is no reciprocation from the other side it can just change and become hatred; then how can that be love. It just remains as love as long as there is reciprocation from the other side. That is why in the initial level you can practice sacred sentiment only with the master because he reciprocates. Only after that you can practice that real sacred sentiments with the deities. In the initial level you need somebody who reciprocates because any sacred sentiment in you, love in you will grow only if it is reciprocated. First master will make it as; he will reciprocate, so it will grow. Then he will stop reciprocating and turn that into atma bhakti; means learning to grow in love without being reciprocated. That’s where that pure solid love starts happening. But in the beginning always the love which dies without reciprocation is the lie.
Aanal vinayen aludal unai perulame but even though I am loaded with samskara and karma if I melt down I can have you, GOD!!! What a mood this guy would have been living; this Manikyavasagar. This sentiment is from him. He always lives outside the village. Wherever he goes to have the darshan of the temple deity, Shiva temple, usually all the South Bharatn town the centre will be temple and around the temple, the village will be built. He will go and have darshan in the temple, but come and stay only outside the village because this guy is in such an ecstasy he can’t wear clothes. See the extraordinary joy the whole skin has become so soft he can’t wear clothes. Manikyavasagar, if you see his life always he will stay outside the city. Even in Tiruvannamalai he stayed outside the city in a small village. He will go everyday to temple and come back, come away. He will not stay in the city. Same way with Ramakrishna because always he was in that ecstasy he can’t wear the clothes.
Let you all achieve and radiate enlightenment. Let you all achieve, live, experience, express, radiate, the eternal bliss, Nithyananda.
Thank you.
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