“Re-birth a fantasy or reality?”
Re-birth a fantasy or reality? I have some quotations and discoveries, inventions, opinions of researchers and scientists.
Roger J.Woolger, psychotherapist of mern age gives evidences for diseases that got cured when the past life trauma was removed. The quotes are –
A Woman’s chronic migrane disappeared after reliving the agony of a 7 year old dying from the head wounds inflicted with an Iron bar wielded by her father.
These are some of the direct experiences of people who work in the past life research.
Woogler refers to the physical manifestations of apparent past life experiences as inherited structures. The physical manifestations of apparent past life expe of inherited experience.
A weak stomach may carry past life memories of poisoning, starvation or dysentery.
He is right. If you have a past life memory of poisoning, dysentery or starvation your stomach can be weak. Noth ony that, if you see all these poisoning, dysentery or starvation continuously, your stomach can be weak. Whenever you see psychological or physiological weakness around you, you will get impacted by it.
All social conditioning is not forced on you by society. Anything happening in society you put yourself in that situation and see. Society does not condition you. You get conditioned by society. Really your parents are not such cruel people to make you like this. NO. They are not cruel, they are just ignorant. Only when you understand that, you will forgive them and get out of this conditioning.
Wherever you see a condition, you put yourself into it. For example when you see and if you think you are 10 million worth, whenever you see someone who is 20 million worth, you will put yourself in his position and start thinking if I am in his position, what is the good or the bad that will happen in me. That is the conditioning happening in you. But when you see Bill Gates, you many not react in similar way. So he may not be conditioned by him directly.
Understand this point – the conditioning when you feel the click, the possibility for you to exist there exists, immediately you start thinking putting yourself in that position and start seeing the positive and negative. Anything that happens in you in that positive and negative is called social conditioning. So when somebody is having food poison, starvation, dysentery, you will put yourself in that situation and imagine what will happen to you if you get it. Immediately your DNA is conditioned. Not only in the 1st layer past, even in the 2nd layer past this happens with you.
Actually, all the calamity and chaos is just because you constantly putting yourself on somebody’s position. You don’t have base on you, you don’t get rooted in you, you go on putting yourself in somebody else’s position. When you do this and see what will I do if that comes to me, if this comes to me, Oh God! I think it will be great, Oh God! I don’t think I can handle it – these 2 are social conditioning. I can see how the past life and past living are almost one and the same! I have to use the word almost because it is not exactly. More than 90% are one and the same. All 1st layer past layer theories will be adopted in 2nd layer past and all 2nd layer past living will be adopted in past living.
I am just seeing very clearly how you get conditioned by society and constantly entertain, cherish the sufferings and the karma whether it is in the plane of economy or in the plane of physical health or relationships – you always put yourself in somebody’s position and plan. And then when you say what will I do if that comes to me, if this comes to me, Oh God! I think it will be great, Oh God! I don’t think I can handle it – if you can just avoid these 2 as far as your awareness & consciousness goes, as much as your awareness penetrates, just see your awareness, your consciousness, your intelligence that much you avoid – that’s enough.
There is a very beautiful stotra from Kabir. I am going through some of the great Kabir and Meera songs to learn hindi. You should learn a language only from a poetry never from a prose. That is why in our vedic tradition all language was born from poetry. Never a language was born in vedic tradition from a prose. Tamil, telugu, hindi, kannada, Bengali - all languages took birth from Sanskrit from poem. And even the writing was not in prose. Writing existsed only in poetry. It should be more poetry based, less prose based. Prose should be used only to explain. But writing should always thru poem. Being a poet is not a intellectual capability it is a existential reality. If there is no gap between your intellectual capability and existential reality, you are enlightened! Whatever you are showing to the world like poetry, singing, dancing – if you do that being in existential reality then you are enlightened. If you don’t have anything, show anything to the world and be anything and you did not have it then also you are enlightened – I have seen so many such people – the Mouni babas, baul mystics, tantric saints, wandering sadhus, parivraajaka acharyas – all of them were living in existential reality and expressing themselves and so they are all enlightened.
Being a poet, dancer, singer or being an intellectual orator or writer should be an existential reality not just intellectual capability. When you teach a language to a child he should just sing in that language. His whole inner space should be singing. For sake of others to understand, he should translate those words. But he himself should be singing inside. When I saw kabir, I thought oh god! This guy never had a single thought in his life other than deep truths in his life.
He says – oh my beloved don’t appear in front of me. Even remembering that you may enter into my house my eyes come out to grab you, to see you. Never ever make the mistake of entering I don’t know what will happen!
The 2nd sacred sentiment he shares is – just because my senses are completely outside my system, outside my praana sareera to grab you, there is nobody to process information and create social conditioning inside! if you yourself have experienced at least once that your senses are lost grabbing the master, you will understand what he is saying.
But if you are lost in looking at others – who is close to the master, who is in the upper posts, who is more powerful in the sangha, you will miss this completely! The problem is always males suffer with hierarchy and females with attention – if you don’t have these 2 and experience your senses grabbing him, you will understand what he is sharing. If kabir is sharing 100 unit of his sentiments, only if you have experienced at least one unit of such a sacred sentiment, you will be able to grab the sacred sentiment he is expressing.
Once there was a young man who approached Ramanuja and said I want to achieve great devotion, the paraa bhakti. Ramanuja asks him – have you every fallen in love even once in your life? The man is shocked at this questions and he says – no no, I have not done any such thing. I am pure. I came to you only for para bhakti. Then Ramanuja says - relax, go back, love someone and then come back for paraa bhakti.
Actually when you really, really, really fall in love even in an ordinary way with an ordinary person, a ray of sacred sentiment is awakened in you. Because at one point you may have to sacrifice the constant feeling of ‘me’ in that one moment you would have experience the sacred sentiment as to what andaal felt for krishna, what meera felt for Krishna, what ramana maharshi felt for arunachala.
Ramana maharshi is – what can I say- extreme and naked madhura bhava. A unhidden unclothed madhur bhava he expresses for arunachala! I have not seen any deeper or naked madhura bhava than what is expressed in ‘the marital garden of letters’ put by Ramana Maharshi to Arunachala.
Earlier when I used to see Bhagavan’s photos, his teachings like who am I, I used to have a great feeling of respect for him – oh a great avatara pursha, eternally peaceful presence sitting and gazing at the great hill Arunachala! The whole understanding and relationship was great. Only when I read his Aksharamanamaalai – ‘the marital garden of letters,’ I thought oh God! This old man with just a loin cloth can have so much! Of course when you see someone’s madhur abhava your respect becomes intimacy. And what a great opening up he had for Arunachala! He says -
For whose sake you grabbed me or you snatched me. Now if you forsake me the whole world will abuse you! What a secret or personal intimate sacred sentiment.
He also says – you are the owner of my house, you are supposed to be possessive of me, but these 5 senses these thieves are coming and raping me. Are you not aware? Are you not a man? The greatness of the sacred sentiments is you will feel so deeply connected to the person and the object to which the person is expressing the sentiment. For ex when maanikyavaasagar sings glory of shiva, you will feel connected to both shiva and maanikyavaasagar also. When Kabir sings for Ram, you will feel Ram and Kabir both because he is letting you experience his intimacy with his beloved – he is opening up. Same way when you share sacred sentiments of Ramana Maharshi, you will feel connected not only to arunachala but to him also. I used to think earlier when he is gazing at Arunachala – oh he is gazing in Samadhi, he is in nirvkalpa great guy. Now I know - nothing – he is in rasa leela ☺
This sacred sentiment of kabir from the book love songs of kabir. I have read at least few books on kabir, but this selection was amazing. Some of these guys – rumi, kabir, maanikyavaasagar, oh God! I feel just to enjoy these fellows I want to assume more & more bodies! Just to enjoy these fellows – this kabir, rumi, manikyavaasagar.
I tell you a man who does not know how to enjoy sacred sentiments, he is missing one of the most important gadget of inner world. Just imagine if overnight all the gadgets from outer world disappear, how you will feel? Surely, Praana will die, he will lose his praana ☺ how you will feel? Same way enjoying the sacred sentiments is inner world gadget.
This sacred sentiments of kabir - my senses are protruding just feeling that you may come sometime to my hut to grab your form, but never do the mistake of coming because I don’t know what will happen to me. And just because of this there is nobody inside to process outside info and create social conditioning. As a side effect enlightenment happens. That is why these Bhaktas don’t care about jnana. These great devotees don’t care about enlightenment.
I asked my brahmacharini who is in my research team one day – do you want jnana or bhakti? She said I want bhakti because then I will have jnana anytime. I thought good she is intelligent ☺ Bhaktas don’t care for jnana because the senses protrude into something and being lsot there is nobody to create the social conditioning. From young age, encourage, initiate and teach how to enjoy sacred sentiments – either make them listen, read or work with them for this. This is a great inner world gadget.
This is one more smriti code for the sangha , all our devotees, disciples who have kids should follow this. Encourage your kids and teach them to enjoy sacred sentiments.
More teaching and learning process must be poetic. Prose should be made to und the poem. Else the back bone of the teaching structure should be poetic. Trying to show intelligent capability means you are a consultant. Being in the existential reality means you are a CEO – leader. I want all my kids to be CEOs.
So the essence of today’s message is this sacred sentiment – social conditioning happens in you when you constantly puts yourself in other’s position. If it clicks with you, you may have fear and greed. If it does not click with you, it may create a gap. Stop doing that internal chewing – stop putting yourself in others positions. How to do this? Learn to lose yourself in the sacred sentiments. It is very easy it is not a big thing. The moment I describe some sacred sentiment about love, if you just have that secret sentiment inside and that uncontrollable smile, be very clear, you have that inner world gadget and celebrate it. Whatever you celebrate will grow in you. If you don’t have, create one. It is possible. So, I have given clear goal and the path for not allowing more & more engrams accumulating in you and reliving the past relieving it in the present, reviving your future, rewiring your brain.
From tomorrow, continuously I will speak on sacred sentiments. For few days I will be travelling. I will try to do morning satsang wherever I am. With so much of knowledge, energy, intelligence, healing & initiating 1000s of people, still a part of me – the child in me is shedding tears for Shiva Puraanam. It is very funny. You should see my daily routine. Especially when I get up in the morning and try to my own body stretching, I can see very clearly the wall is begging – what should I do? Should I move and be here tell me. I tell all you guys be in your position, I am trying to do something with this structure and body that I have ☺ Even those few moments when I hear the shiva puranam oh god!
It says – “I am a lie, my heart Is a lie, my love is a lie, but person with so much of karmas if I melt down I can have you! “ I just melt when I hear this.
See, I already have him and having him. I don’t need to melt down with this sacred sentiment. This idea I am lie, my heart is lie it does not directly fit with me because all that lie, karma is not there in me. If I melt down, I don’t need to because I already have him. Even then, with all this looking from the other shore is such a great thing. See there are 2 shores. One is the seeker and the other is the attained – advaita and dvaita. Tasting the water in the other shore has always a secret taste. Sometime I wonder what is going on? And it is such a sweet taste. It is like after you get established as a big guy, you go back to school and donate some money to it. Same way, now you are no more a seeker. There is nothing that is now binding you. But you go to other shore and look at this shore. How it feels. Sacred sentiments gives you joy of all sights of enlightenment. Enlightenment experience – advaita anubhooti is like a temple tower, it stands. But the focus lights put on the big tower make you experience it in different ways. The sacred sentiments are the different focus lights to see the different dimensions of the temple tower – like the daasa bhava, madhura bhava, maatru bhave & maha bhava and all of these.
These extraordinary sacred sentiments. I can say it is a technique to clean your 3rd layer past which is all your past from big bang to this moment. Kabir! What a plane of consciousness these guys would have lived, what a space they would have floated! A old man with a loin cloth lying on the couch, gazing at arunachala having a rasaleela and madhura bhava and what he must be going through behind that smile! sacred sentiments makes enlightenment as immediate. See whatever makes your goal as a goal for you is jnana. Whatever makes your goal as immediate for you is bhakti.
The sacred sentiments make the whole experience as Now – immediate. If you just sit and see the whole thing is true (quotes shiva purana) any thing you feel changes, any idea you have changes, my heart is a lie – very shallow, morning it feels love, then irritated, then agitated, it is changing all the time – so it is a big lie. My love is a lie. If there is no reciprocation from other side it can just change and becomes hatred then how can it be love. It just remains as love only as long as there is reciprocation from the other side. That is why, in the initial state, sacred sentiment can happen only with master. Because first master will reciprocate and then he stops so that and turns you towards atma bhakti which is the pure flowing love.
Shiva Puranam beautifully says - but even though I am loaded with samskaras and karma, if I melt down I can have you. God! What a mood this maanikyavaasagar would be living in! he always used to live outside the village. He will go the temple everyday, have darshan and come outside and stay. Because he can’t wear clothes – the extraordinary joy will make the whole skin sensitive. Same way with Ramakrishna, because he is always in ecstasy, he would never wear clothes. He would be somewhere and his clothes will lie elsewhere. Sometime, he would have them on his upper body or face! Sacred sentiments! The extraordinary joyous moments.
People always feel in modern society if you open up in sacred sentiments you are a fool. I tell you those fools are the ones who will die with parkinson’s alzheimer’s, hear attacks, arthritis, nervous breakdown, depression –these are the demons sent to planet earth to kill them. They are sent to finish people who don’t melt with sacred sentiments. First I think they catch media only.
All this cinema, media, TV – only a devotee will be shown as a fool, villain. All symbols related to sacred sentiments is shown as anti-social. We don’t even need to curse them. They will have their own share – alzheimer’s disease, depression, parkinson’s disease, obesity. But the problem is even after they become tippu sundaris (meaning depression beauties) they don’t understand that because they don’t melt in sacred sentiments, they put on weight! Sometime people come and tell me about my ex-devotees that they have become fat. I wonder already someone who is so fat, how can she become more fat? And I think she must have someone in the family in construction business to make larger doors in the house ☺
Alright. Let us not talk more than this! The mouth with which we speak about kabir and the heart with which we remember maanikyavaasagar. Enough we don’t need to talk about anybody else!
Blessings!
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- 3 November 2010
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