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14 January 2008

“Delegate - We have to suffer, is suffering.”

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Delegate - We have to suffer, is suffering.

No, the first statement is wrong.

Delegate - “As a family or we are suffering”.

Sorry,

Delegate -”When we are there in the family, with the same wife, the same life”.

Delegate - “So what is my question, does it mean when we are suffering intensely you are progress towards your path with God?”

On screen. If you are suffering intensely, does it mean you are progressing in your spiritual journey?

Uh, two thing, the statement which I made the same wife, same life, same car, was just a jovial statement. But to tell you honestly, neither your wife or your car or your house is same as yesterdays, it is different. You can’t step into the same river twice. I tell you can’t even step into the same river once. See the moment you put your foot before it even reaches the ground, water moves away. So your wife is updating herself, your life is updating itself, the whole existence is constantly updating itself.

So my statement the same wife same same car same thing, was told in a more casual sense and a jovial sense and how you feel but that is not the case. Actual truth that's the first thing. Second thing if we are suffering are we going towards God? No. Something seriously wrong, I can say in the initial level, you will not have suffering you will have suffocation, suffocation is what Ramakrishna calls the seeking or the intense yearning Vyakulatha that is the word Bhagavan uses Ramakrishna is using, Vykulatha the intense yearning, there will be suffocation not suffering.

Suffocation means feeling that you are not enough, you have not expanded what you can, you are not doing what you can. Just like a ah ah missing some part of you. It won't be a suffering. Suffering is different suffocation is different. Suffering is something when you think I need this and you are not achieving, that is suffering. Suffocation is you know you are something but you’ve not become that. Suffocation is from within suffering from outside. Suffocation is from Prarabdha, suffering is from Agamya.

Prarabdha means the the potentiality which you brought with you is Prarabda, Agamya is the desires you accumulated after coming here. The accumulated desires bring suffering, the Agamya, brings suffocation. Suffocation inspires and helps you to expand open up, break. Suffering puts you in deep depression so I feel, suffocation will just explode into joy, there won't be suffering between you and the Enlightenment or the Atman Jnana. So I can't accept the word.If you are suffering more you are going towards divine, towards God. According to my experience not only goal , even the path is Anandamaya.

Path and goal both are Anandamaya. In the initial level the suffocation will be there. Please understand the difference between suffocation and suffering. Suffering is from the accumulated desires. Suffocation is from your inborn prarabdha tendency the potential energy so when a seed has not become a tree. When the seed is about to break, it has that suffocation Vykulatha but suffering is after you become tree suddenly you want, maybe 2, 3 house built on you or 2, 3 cars so you that you can get into that tree can’t move which you try to accumulate something which is not directly yours, your very quality that is what I call suffering.

Suffering is from Agamya suffocation is from Prarabdha. Prarabdha suffocation may be there in the initial level in your spiritual path but Agamya the suffering or depression can not be there in your spiritual journey then there's something wrong if the suffering is there. First sit and clear the suffering that's a basic need to start your journey, thank you.

Yes I’ll answer 10 more minutes. Yes. [deligate] How you attain contentment contentment?

Sit and contemplate, make a list of all your desires, all your desires whatever even the small to big even the fulfilled desires, if you remember it means it is there in you, list.

List and sit and contemplate just visual, take up each desire and visualize that it has become reality how you feel. influence is add Kriya Shakti to Iccha Shakti add your visualization and creativity to your desires. Suddenly you will see many desires which you thought, is your life will drop, will lose its influence over you. Empower your visualization, your desires with your imagination power, just see that they have become reality and how you feel now. Suddenly you’ll see many desires which you thought is a important thing in your life will lose its power over you.

Those desires are your Agamya, your accumulated desires and suddenly you will see some desires will become so strong in you that's what I call Prarabdha, your own desires. With Prarabdha, you see Prarabdha, great quality of the Prarabdha Karma is before fulfilling, it will give you a deep inspiration and energy to run behind that desire, after fulfilling automatically that will give you a deep satisfaction. But with Agamya before fulfilling, also you'll have a deep irritation sometime you will see if you remember some desire you’ll have a deep irritation after fulfilling you’ll feel the deep emptiness. Agamya will start with irritation and end with emptiness.

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Prarabda will start with inspiration end with fulfillment. So sit and contemplate on all the desires, take this as a meditation. Every day visualize one desire fully create your heaven and live half an hour in that, it may look like imagination. What am I doing? But you will see suddenly there are many desires which you are carrying without even knowing that they have no say over your being. They have no power over your being. When the Akamya drops Prarabdha will have its own energy to fulfill itself. Thank you.

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