“Participant: Nithyanandam, Swami assume that if a person experiences a…”

Participant: Nithyanandam, Swami assume that if a person experiences a heart pain, should he still say ‘ahhh’?

Swamiji: Be very clear, now what you are asking is hypothetical. See, ‘when really the situation comes say ahhh’, you will not ignore if it is needed. You will not ignore if it is needed; if it is needed you will give a medical care. After all body is made out of chemicals. If needed, give the whatever chemicals needed. If it became tired... you see, in that case, body is made out of chemical that’s why when it’s needed you give food, is it not? Just like you give food, if you need, you may give medicine; but you will not have the suffering or stress, “Oh, I am going to have heart attack, I have problem,” You will not have that difficulties. You will not add to your suffering.

Beautifully Ramana Maharishi says - somebody asked Ramana Maharishi, “Do you have pain?” when he was having cancer. He says, “Pain is there, but there is no suffering.” Understand, there is no suffering. So what you are asking is a hypothetical question. You are only asking hypothetical question. You are trying to create bigger fears so that you may defeat your intelligence, ‘you can't handle your fears’. See now you want to... now I am proving to you, ‘you can handle all your problems’. But your mind wants to prove, “No, no, no, no, this Swami is teaching all the nonsense, you think you’re, you can handle? Come out of the Bangalore ashram, I will take care.” Your mind is now saying, “No, you can't handle! I’ll teach you lesson, come out of this fellow's place, I can't enter his area. Just because of that dont think you are the king. Come out! Come to my area, I'll take care of you.” That's what now your mind is telling. Don't entertain this hypothetical question.

One thing, it's not that an enlightened person will not give what body needs. For example, if you have thought of drinking a water, it's not that you will ignore, and you will not drink water at all. You will not have the stress and sufferings and problems which you bring between your interpretations, your interferences. When you don't have your interferences, naturally the pain will disappear, even if there is a - the, even if you have to die, you will die in a very delayed, peaceful way. Understand? You’re, you see, nobody suffers with a heart attack because they don't care. People suffer with heart attack because they care too much and create too much stress. Am I right?

Participants: Yes.

Swamiji: But you see your mind - creating opposite problem, creating opposite problem. See you think, “I think my grandfather died with heart attack, my father died with heart attack, I am going to have heart attack, any one day I am going to have.” By thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, what do you do? You bring it as near as possible. And that is what I'm saying, you will not bring it near. If it has to happen, you will go through it beautifully and peacefully.

I can tell you one thing, especially with this understanding and all, the stress will completely disappear. I can say this initiation is a stress buster, stress buster. It’ll just disappear, it’ll just disappear. Don't ever have this difficulties or fears. I tell you, the first few times only you will have the pain, you’ll have this, these questions. See even now you’re not asking the existential question, you understand? You are only proposing some hypothetical question. It's like a, “If somebody comes and kills me should I say ‘ahhh’?” Even if you don't say ‘ahh’ what are you.. what can you do? Tell me? Whatever you can do, you will do. Whatever you can do, you will do. Beyond what you can't do you will say relax. Understand, whatever you can change you will change. Whatever you can't change you will accept. What you can change and you can’t change, you will have intelligence, that is the power of initiation. That is the power of initiation. That's all.

Come on, any next question?

Participant: Regarding the emotions getting changed by the intellect, supposing a, a person is not a very intellectual person, and uh, he’s a emotional person, then?

Swamiji: Whether you are intellectual person or emotional person, are you... what do you think yourself? You think yourself as a emotional personal or intellectual person?

Participant: Sound like both.

Swamiji: Sound like both? Between these two. Whether you are emotional or intellectual, the moment you decided to stand up, have you not renounced the thought of sitting or not? That's all. Whether you are emotional or intellectual, the process is same. Don't you understand, the process is same. Please be very clear, the same fear which he asked is coming in the other way. This is one of the worst fear.

Let Me give you a simple example, one important example. In North Bharat, especially near Agra, in that banks of Jamuna, Yamuna, the forest, they will have the trap for catching the birds. You would have heard this experiment, example from Me. But even then, understand, try to understand now. Have you seen? They will have a trap, like this trap, like this only it’ll be there. One simple, one small stick will be hanging with a thread like this. It’ll be tied between just two trees, between the two tree’s it’ll be tied. You may think, “How can this trap a bird?” Understand, like this er, it’ll be hanging between two, two trees. The stick will be there. A bird will come and sit in one side. The moment it sits, what will happen? It just turn. The moment it turns, the bird will now, now hanging?

Participants: Upside down.

Swamiji: Upside down, topsy turvy. That poor guy, he does not understand, if he just lets go, the holding, the stick, he can fly. But that poor guy will think, “No no, if I let go I’ll fall and break my head and die”

Understand, “If I let go, I’ll fall and break my head and die”. And that poor fellow will be hanging for two hours, three hours. Slowly the hunter will come, catch that bird and put it in the cage. Please understand, how that poor bird.... have you ever heard one bird let go, relaxed and fell and broke his head and died? Have you ever heard? But this poor guy will be hanging, hanging, hanging without remem... understanding he can just let go and fly. Same way, you do not understand, if you let go your mind, you can just take off, you will become Paramahamsa. But your mind is again and again giving you the fear. What fear? “If I let go, I may fall and break my... Break my head. I may just die”. Please understand, it is different, different fears. You understand what I am saying? If you let go what you think “I may have heart attack and I may not take care”. There is no story in the planet Earth, the bird which let go, fell and broke his head and died. Same way there is no story, a man who left his mind, entered into the consciousness, died in vain or became waste. Relax. If at all you let go, only one thing will happen. What that? You will fly.

One more thing, that bird thinks that stick is the security. You understand? That is why it is not relaxing. But the hunter will come, he will take away that bird from that stick. What that bird thought as a security also will go away. His freedom also will go away once for all. Same way you are hanging on to your mind, Yama will come, Yama is the hunter. Till he comes you will be hanging. He will come, what he will do? What you think as your security, your body/mind, he will take even... you away from that also, and put you in the cage. The stick is the body/mind and hunter is the Yama, you are the, the, you are the bird. Your soul is the bird. Some time, rarely, fortunately, some bird which was hanging like this but which let go and started flying, the Paramahamsa will come and poke you, “Eh relax, let go. I was like you only. Relax. You can fly. You can liberate yourself.” He’s what? He’s the Guru. When that bird comes and pokes at you, trust, let go. Trust, let go.

One more thing, important thing, when the bird relaxes, it may take two, three second for that bird to tu..turn and balance and fly. Courage to have that two three - courage to balance yourself that two, three second and go through that two, three second of balancing, is what I call tapas. That's what I call tapas, that's what I am telling. Next ten days, even if you are little imbalanced, don't bother, don't bother. Just say ‘ahhh’, ‘ahh’, ‘ahhh’, anything comes up. Suddenly you will see the power of your mind over your inner space will drastically drop.

You see, please understand, I really feel sympathy towards the people when I see them. Understand, when I see them, one big politician came to attend one of our program earlier, and if he wants he can give a, he can allot a big government fund for our, our social service projects. All My Swamis, they asked, “Swamiji just put a word. We will get some money for these er projects which we are doing.” We wanted to give some free building for the school and the, nearby the village school. Of course we did by ourself. They asked Me, “Swamiji, you just say one word, we will get it. ” I said, “Ay, when I see him I feel sympathy. Poor guy is here to get something from Me, how can I ask something?”

Understand, when I see people I really feel compassionate. Anybody who is caught by the mind 24 hours, is in worst prison. I tell you, just 10 days say ‘ahhhh’. Suddenly you will see your mind's power over you will drastically drop. I tell you,

80% of your diseases are just because of your samskaras on you.

All your relationship problems are just because of your samskaras on you.

All your mental problems are 100% just because of your samskaras on you.

The spiritual progress does not happen to you just because of your samskaras on you.

Just let go. You are fortunate. All birds which are hanging does not get a liberated bird to come and…

Participants: poke

Swamiji: Poke and say ‘relax, let go’. Now you have a liberated bird which is telling, very simple way, relax. Understand, the bird which is hanging is telling, “No, no, no, you don’t know if I relax, I may just fall and my head may crack. I may have heart attack. What will happen if I am emotional bird?” That question. Understand, that bird is asking all these questions. I tell you, I am not only just saying relax, let go, I have put a beautiful net also behind - below. Even if you fall, you will not die. Understand, you will not die. The net is what I call the divine grace, the divine presence. The net is there, the liberated bird is poking, all you need is let go. Let go and become Paramahamsa. Thank you.