“Somebody is saying about conversion.”
Somebody is saying about conversion. I don’t want to get into too much into this - this is controversial subject. Conversion never elevates the people - I have seen enough, it is only a political game. Understand, political game. Many of my disciples ask Me, “Swamiji, should I convert to Hinduism? Should I convert to Hinduism?" I said, “No!” We don’t believe in conversion, we believe in transformation. Conversion is ugly thing, very ugly. Inside our ashram we have an ashramite who was a pastor - who was a pastor in - Karunatha is here? She is not here. She was a pastor in Divine Sense Church; she was very senior pastor.
She asked Me, “Should I convert?” I said, "No." And I have Swamis who are Christians and Muslims. If you - how many of you are going to do BSP? The Brahmachari who is going to conduct BSP is a Christian. And I have enough of Muslim Swamis - Brahmacharis. I said, "We don’t believe in conversion. We believe in transformation." Conversion is a idiotic political game. You understand. See, if you have a big mass, you can have your voice on politics and every year four thousand crores missionaries are pumping into Bharat because by 2012 they want fifty-one percent of Bharat to be christians.
So I feel, you see, if you are really interested in doing service, do service. Why should you convert? It’s a complete political game and not only that. People come and tell, "No, no, no because of caste system they are converting." Array, if your neighbour house is burning - you will start stealing whatever you can? Either try to put off the fire or keep quiet, he will put out the fire. Why do you come and steal things? When house is burning, of course, we had few problems and we are working it out - and using and abusing. Especially in the west - see west, christian missionaries have projected our Bharat as a - where click with any missionaries website. They will show only kids with empty plate. Bharat means nothing but kids with empty plate and the snake charmers - no, really. That’s the way they project Bharat and whole our Vedic tradition is considered as evil cult. That’s a word they use to popularise or tell about us. It’s just nonsense.
What you see, we are so broad. Even now because you asked I said. Otherwise, if somebody comes and asks Me, “Swamiji, what are they doing all these nonsense. What reply you are give?” Ahh. it’s ok, whoever wants they do their karmas. We are never resist, it's never in our blood. We always feel, not only we invent, we gave them our place, food, took care and we even allowed them to convert our own people.
I always feel - we don’t have a problem with anyone. I always tell people: Muslims who are not entering into terrorism, Christians who are not doing conversions are our own brothers - we don’t have a problem, they are our own brothers. Only, when these idiots try to attack us. See we always tell, "You’ also live happily, I will also live happy. See, you took birth in that family, live there. I took birth in this family, let’s live there like this - that’s all.
There are very wonderful organizations - some of the Christian and Russian orthodox church and Greek orthodox church don’t believe in conversion. They don’t believe in conversion - very wonderful organization. We keep a very good relationship with them. Whenever I get a chance I never miss visiting their churches, never miss inviting them to our organisation. Let’s live in the same way how we took birth - intensify, that’s all. Whatever you are doing - intensify. that’s all. If I want I could have converted at least one lakh people. I said, "No, foolishness! Who cares? It's nonsense, we don’t believe in conversion." And what to do - it’s a political game going on.
"Without going to school how did you complete your engineering?" That's a very funny thing - I don’t want to tell you all these secrets. It’s not that 100% I did not go but 90% I did not go. I had one great disciple who was my class teacher. No, really. The school I studied, if you see, if you read My biography, one teacher had a darshan of Ayyappa in Me. So from that time no problem at all - he will leave attendance. He will give attendance and even day before yesterday he came and met Me - he had darshan and so devoted. I don’t know how come this guy became devoted to Me at that time, during my school days and he will be calling Me only Swami - from that time.
Actually, some of his - one of his relatives is a great astrologer, who was my family astrologer, so that guy has told him. I think that astrologer may be cousin or something - that guy has told him, "Hey, take care this boy is not a small boy. Don’t think He is a ordinary guy." Something he told because of that fellow - the teacher had a great respect for Me and I never had to go to school, never had to attend the examinations; nothing. It’s a great freedom actually.
And college also I had the same way from disciples - somehow it happened. Maximum 10% only I will attend the class but somehow I passed the examination. My awareness, depth of My awareness was so sharp. Every year, I will have problem - bare minimum attendance only I have. If I know I fulfilled the maximum attendance I managed, next year onwards never ever I put My head towards the direction.
I will be sitting inside the hostel but I will not go to the college. If they ask I will tell, “What do you want, attendance? It’s already done, go." And same way examination also - I will answer only for 40 mark - not one mark more than that. Exact pass mark I will answer and come out and finish. But somehow finally the final exams I did little well and got even distinction - I was really surprised.
I will never touch the book, I will never touch the book. I don’t know how you believe, after finishing the examinations only I suddenly realised two-three subjects I did not even buy books, I did not even buy books - went to the class and sat and whatever I heard in the class and moreover used to be boring, to tell you honestly. No, really. Too simple, too boring and even though teachers will be boring - even they will not know if you ask something logically.
Poor fellows, whatever they memorise they come and shout in the class and if they miss one sentence - if they forget they will start from the one. A for apple, B for boy, C for cat and boring. So, sometime I used to torture the teachers by questions. They will tell you don’t come to the class I will put the attendance - that is the bargain. I ask, "No, I have no problems. I will come and sit in the class but I will ask questions.
And they say, "Better you don’t come" because they lose their respect in the class if they can’t answer. Especially this mechanical engineering and all - whatever is outdated hundred years ago, that only is syllabus. How many of you are mechanical engineers? In those days I used to think to get a degree you need intelligence. Now I realised you don’t need anything. And I had lot of fun studying. You can imagine, visualize Me going to one class and sitting. What would happen to that poor guy?
And you should know after Enlightenment after the mission has started - the same college, they invited Me and I took classes for all the teachers. No, really. Seven day class but all the staff attended. Two, I think three years ago - five years back - when we started the mission. We have videograph - all the staff attended. Whoever tortured Me I took revenge on him. I put them,"Hey, stand outside. Why are you late together?" I started giving homework, "Start writing about the chakra - twenty lines from tomorrow. Anyhow, now we got our own university. I think some of you may know the one international Vedic Hindu University which is 19 year old.
The chairman, the founder and chairman they have become very old and they are not able to - so they hand over that university to us. Now, we are running the university. According to American statistics they have 8,000 universities and the youngest chancellor - that country they called it chairman. Here we called 'chancellor', na?
“Why is women in the olden - no...treated so badly during those days and not allowed.” It's a important problem. There is one more question, one from a female - only asked na, "Why women are not allowed?" Okay, anyhow, let Me answer this question, this problem once for all - I am nobody to criticise why those temples are - they are not allowing or they are allowing; I am nobody, I have no right to criticise. I have no right to interfere what they are doing. But in all our temples, we are run thirty temples around the world. In all our temples we allow women in all days. I don’t believe about this. According to Me, in those days you need more meditation, more devotion - because physically and mentally you are little low. So you need more meditation to bring you up. So, I don’t have a problem. People ask Me, "In my house, puja room, elders are not allowing us to enter in puja room. We feel guilty to enter into the puja room during the days." I tell them to keep one of my photograph in your puja room. Go into the puja room even during those days. If some Gods ask you, tell them, "I came to see my Swami" - that’s all.
If they are angry, let them be angry, don’t bother. Tell them, "I came here to see Him. If you want you turn the outside." I don’t believe in this. Somebody asked Me about this. There is a question about this mangalsutra also. To tell you honestly I don’t believe in mangalsutra. You asked the question, na? I don’t believe in mangalsutra. If you want you can wear traditionally. I feel men should wear mangalsutra. These guys are only going around. See, even according to statistics, the extramarital affair is more with men only, not women.
No, It’s statistics, I am not - that’s what I am saying but the number - the number statistics is more. See, first step or aggressive step is from men only. So naturally - relax, relax, relax - relax, relax, relax, relax! No, you see when it comes to truth we have to tell - nothing can be done. Simple truth is simple truth, nothing can be done. So I feel personally men should wear more than women. Anyhow, I can’t change the whole thing but I can at least change few people.
Somebody is asking, "At Chennai ASP you told that you - for tiring - elephant in the hut you keep a group photo..." I told about tying the elephant, means the coming down into the body. He is asking question about that, “Tying the elephant in the hut you keep a group photograph of disciples with you. But today, you told that you chant mantra. Why have you changed your technique?”
See, the problem is sometime disciples are not that mature to receive the Master’s love. Master’s love is so intense and so beautiful. These fellows are not that qualified, that’s why I changed from disciples to mantra. Now I don’t have the photograph - I removed it. Earlier I used to have group of disciple's photograph in My room. Morning, the moment when I get up I feel, "Oh, all these guys need Me and now I decided the mantra is enough.
"Does cough will come in this meditation technique?" Cough will come when the vatha, pitha, kapha is getting balanced.
"Why saffron and white clothes are to be worn while going after a spiritual pursuit?" See, there is something called color therapy, you heard? The West, now it has become very popular. If you use a light-blue light, light-blue in your bedroom, you will have a deep sleep. If you use the dark-red light, you will have a disturbance sleep and dreams. Colors play a major role on your mind.
This color awakens your Consciousness; your awareness. White awakes a kind of silence, peace in you. That’s why around the world white is considered as a symbol of peace. This is symbol of Consciousness; awareness. That’s why I use this cloth. Actually, I am not supposed to use these cloth technically. Technically, Paramahamsa is much more than a Swami. There is a sutra - Paramahamsa should radiate so much of grace without even the outer symbols like a cloth and the vibhuti - people should be able to recognise him.
So, I am not supposed to technically use but my respect for these clothe. For a quite long time I used this during My wandering - before my Enlightenment. After Enlightenment you are not supposed to use these cloth . You are suppose to use the sky as the dress - means, naga; means the naked. If at all you wear the cloth, rainbow as the colors - means all seven colors - sky or the rainbow. If you are in the forest sky is the cloth 'digambara' If you are in the city, rainbow is the clothe - all colors you are supposed to use - means people should not respect you because of the cloth. They should respect you seeing the energy and grace you radiate.
So, I am not supposed to technically use but I love this and moreover maintenance-free, that's why I use. But it has something to do with Consciousness also. Here is one wonderful experience. "My mother had a sister who remembered her past life - lucid details, her daughter’s names. Hindu names she could not have heard living in a sheltered manner in a sick home in a community. Lots of details about her life then. She begged and pleaded for my mother’s family to take to her previous home, so she could show her husband where she had hidden jewellery for her daughter’s marriage. This child died young of a childhood illness. Her family used to discourage any talk of her past life, thinking it would be a bad omen”.
No. I think very unfortunately that child had been misused and killed. Actually, they should have taken that child to some Enlightened Master and encouraged. When you remember your past don’t think it’s just a power. You will suddenly remember you are doing this same thing again and again and you will also start working for Enlightenment. Remembering past is a powerful technique to achieve Enlightenment - you will be just pushed towards Enlightenment. So, I feel they should have helped the child.
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- 6 January 2008
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