“Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Will You share what was happening with…”
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Will You share what was happening with Your body last night.
Swamiji responds: That's what; see, to do prana pratishta I have to feel. I can say that…. you see, constantly I stay in that Sahaja samadhi.With that nirvikalpa samadhi only this body is functioning. I need to allow that nirvikalpa samadhi's energy through the body to energize something physical. See, that Linga is physical. So, this physical body should become completely nirvikalpa, so that it can penetrate into that Shiva Linga. So, I was allowing that physical, you saw, I can say….
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Not exhausted. Was it exhausting? If you have seen my face ☺ it was not tiredness. You see, don't think I was not feeling well. I was feeling too well; ☺ that is the problem! See, it is like a feeling one with the whole thing. If I say move the right hand, the command will not even pass from the brain to this hand. It will go to all right hands. So which right hand to move? To have the prana pratishta to happen…. Understand this much that it was a intense energy process, that's all.
And moreover, you guys are blessed you saw in the same state. Usually I never let people see me in that state. But yesterday I have to come to the arati because I have to do that prana pratishta. That is why I came and sat there… and then we had this prana pratishta. I think you are the first group, non-ashramites… saw me in that Samadhi. Usually, in ordinary way, I try to keep all these mystical things under cover, try to be very normal because spirituality should not be taken as some show, this, that, things hmmm. You will understand more about Samadhi when something starts happening in you hmmm
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Are there stages of Enlightenment?
Swamiji responds: No, there is no stages of Enlightenment.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: How can you tell if someone is or isn’t?
Swamiji responds: Only when you experience you can tell. Otherwise there is no judging scale.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: What is Dakshinamurthy and is He the person who left when you came or is He one of your incarnation?
Swamiji responds: Oh God! Dakshinamurthy is Shiva in the form of Guru. When Shiva comes down in the form of Guru, He is called Dakshinamurthy. All Gurus are called Dakshinamurthies. He is the embodiment of Guru Tattva. You see, in your life you would have had many Gurus. See, having many Gurus is nothing wrong. Let you be very clear. That is an important thing. There is an important problem many people face. In the initial level some Guru may happen in your life to give you inspiration, but he may not be able to lead you to the ultimate. So, suddenly you will feel connected to another one Guru. He will take you to the different level. So, different Gurus will happen in your life, nothing wrong. Ramakrishna had this… different Masters at different level in his life. And it is usual, nothing wrong.
I always tell people, go to all gardens and pluck all best flowers and make a beautiful bouquet for yourself; nothing wrong. So, like this, you see, ultimately you will feel connected to one Guru; that is different. But your process, during process, when you have one or two these, that things, you don't have to worry about it. So, the Guru Tattva, all Gurus are represented by the Dakshinamurthy. Finally, you will know who is your satguru, your heart knows. You will feel connected. Then after that you yourself will not feel like going anywhere. Then perfectly alright. Settle down. In the beginning time when you start seeking, if you have that urge to go here and there and all, nothing wrong. Just see, your heart is intelligent enough to catch your satguru.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: I just wanted to tell you that these one and half days have been wonderful and Maharaj was great; so much fun, yet so much intensity. And such wonderful experiences shared. But we all missed you and so happy with this surprise tonight. She has written in English
tvamevamata cha pita tvameva tvamevabandhusakhatvameva tvameva vidya dravinamtvameva tvamevasarvam mama deva deva
Excuse me for the spelling mistakes.
Swamiji responds: That is ok. Only if the feeling mistakes are there, it is to be cleared. Not spelling mistake. There is no feeling mistake, so no need to bother about spelling mistake.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Kriti. Thank you for everything. Dasa Bhava was an eye opener. It tells that we can take our relationship with Master so much granted, while it should be based on obedience, serve and no resistance. I must have compromised on each of these grounds, but Master has been showering. Thank you for taking care of us. Without this program I would not have even understood. Please advise how we bring this intensity and make it persist once we are back into the selfish world.
Swamiji responds: Understand, Dasa Bhava is the powerful method. You can become stronger than the person to whom you are devoted. See, Rama Himself need to build a bridge to cross the ocean and go to Lanka. But Rama's devotee Hanuman, just jumped taking Rama's name. It means what - Ram naam is much more powerful than Ram. Understand the power of devotion, power of bhakti. Ram naam is much wonderful than Rama Himself. So, the power of bhakti, power of devotion. See, with Ram only He was there. With Hanuman - Ram and Rama's bhakti, both were there. So, bhakti is naturally more powerful than God Himself. That's the greatness of Vedic tradition. It says bhakti is more powerful than God Himself. So, God is only an object on whom you can project your bhakti and learn to be devoted. That's all.
Understand. Ultimately the atma bhakti, bhakti towards your Higher Self is needed; your Enlightenment - for that, that is only needed. God is an object used outside so that you can learn how to be devoted. Then you can be devoted to the Self. That is why in Bharat, all over Bharat if you see, Hanuman temples are three times more than Rama temples☺ Just devotion. Hanuman temples are three times more than Rama temples. And Rama became more popular because of Hanuman I think. Just like Ramakrishna became popular because of Vivekananda. Rama became popular because of Hanuman.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Yesterday at the temple Deepam function, I had a Divine Experience, shower of intense energy.
Swamiji responds: Because I was sitting there naturally so many things would have started happening. hmmm
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: I was there in the arati when suddenly intense energy in the upper neck and head area, which covered the whole body. I could not move for a long time. After around 2 and half hours I tried to walk back, I had difficulty in walking.
Swamiji responds: I think you also had my experience.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: And difficulty in raising my hands. Thank you for an amazing experience - Naveen
Swamiji responds: Good. Not my level. But at least. See, the body gets settled lot more. My body has settled lot more. But yours started happening na.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Yesterday in the temple you were in a different state. Were you in Mathru Bhava?
Swamiji responds: It's a state beyond bhavas. That's what I was telling there. You have seen the ultimate energy with open eyes, bare eyes. That's all I can say. You have seen the Ultimate Happening with bare eyes. You see, now you can't see me with bare eyes. Whatever you are seeing is not the Ultimate. But yesterday what you saw is the Ultimate. Now I have covered many things which you can't see with your open eyes. If you see with that intensity or seeing through the seer, you will be able to see. But what you saw yesterday with open, simple eyes, you have seen what needs to be seen. Instead of me describing what is that state, if you have just sat in that Presence, in that moment, you know. What is happening in you, based on that you know.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Can you say something about need for patience when difficult situation arise? When we are hungry for some reassurance from you.
Swamiji responds: See, your hunger is also not honest. You can see, whether it’s a, it’s a kind of a feeling. Who put this question? Its more psychological Ma, you understand. It is not honest. When the time comes, what happens? You feel like eating. And if you are busy with something, even if the time comes you don’t know. It means what? It is not physical. Its more. For example, you used to eat everyday 2 o'clock. One day you are caught in some work really which you enjoy. Till 3 o'clock you didn't even bother about the food, you didn't even remember. Suddenly the moment you know it’s 3 o'clock, you will feel the hunger. Only when you know the time, you will start feeling. So, it’s more psychological. Just understand it's psychological, the problem will be solved.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Each Bhava meditation has been so powerful. It’s your blessing that we are able to raise our Consciousness in these ways and relate from a completely different experience and expression. Thank You. Would you say a few words about Bhavas? Do we go with one that we connected with most or let all flower in us in our day to day life?
Swamiji responds: One thing Ma, any Bhava comes to you, any Bhava you feel deeply connected, go with that Bhava. But don’t say no to other Bhavas. It’s not like a water tight compartment. At some time you will feel like father, some time you will feel like mother, some time you will feel more like a child, anyway. You see, you will have, undercurrent there will be one Bhava. But any Bhava comes and goes, you don't have to say no to it. But Madhura Bhava is nothing to do with body understand. It's something to do with deeper than the body, it's a Being; it's a whole Consciousness connecting. Understand, the Bhagavatha again, Bhagavatha is the ultimate scripture for Madhura Bhava. The moment I say Bhagavatha, so much is coming up. There is traffic jam in the throat. hmm.
Alright, I will answer. Radha says, the gopikas are saying, Radha is much more than Krishna because in Krishna, only Krishna is there. In Radha, Krishna is also there; because Her strong connection with Krishna, she has become two in one. That is why the whole Brindavan if you go, Radha is more important than Krishna. The whole Brindavan, even the milkman, the person who puts the newspaper, everybody will say Radhe-Radhe, Radhe-Radhe, Radhe-Radhe. In every house only Radhe-Radhe will be painted, not Krishna. Raseshwari, that strength of Madhura Bhava, the power of Madhura Bhava is such, you see, if you, the description goes - if Radha only, if Radha is in ecstasy only when she sees Krishna's body, then it is separate. Radha is in Maha Bhava, in continuous ecstasy… because the Madhura Bhava does not need a person. You understand, Madhura Bhava does not need the physical form. That’s why she is continuously in ecstasy. Because of that Krishna is also there inside Radha. Radha is much more than Krishna because Radha doesn't need Krishna. It's beyond body. He will explain tomorrow. I don't want to take about bhava. Let him explain. That fellow will talk about Madhura Bhava beautifully because he himself was in that Bhava only with me. Each fellow enjoys one-one bhava. He will talk about Madhura Bhava beautifully.
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Each Bhava he will tell like that only. He has to be decent na. Tomorrow he can't hide. Now you guys can ask 'What Swamiji is telling'
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: During the meditation where we had to look into each other’s eyes. The person in front of me began to disappear until there was a complete void where the lady was sitting.
Swamiji responds: Beautiful! Good meditation Mathew. Good experience.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: I could see everything around her but not her and my eyes were wide open. Eyes would be pierced through the void and she would reappear.
Swamiji responds: It's like a, when you see through the seer, the seen disappears. That's all.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Thank you so much for this extraordinary experience. Words cannot describe my gratitude for this great blessing you have showered on us; just wanted to express my eternal gratitude – Sarita. Who?
Ok
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Do you speak to us through inner voice? I wonder if this is you or am I fantasizing about it being you?
Swamiji responds: No-no-no, I never speak through your inner voice and all. Don't listen to your inner voice. You see, I will come as a sharp intelligent logic. For example: if you travel now you will have an accident. This is an example. Don't think there will be a voice inside, “don't travel. You will have an accident.” No. You will suddenly see your logic itself takes the decision not to go. There won’t be any two conflict. Simply your logic will decide not to go. That is what is my voice. Don't think inner voice will be separate. Then you become schizophrenia. No, I have seen people having this kind of misguidance. And they think there will be some special separate voice will be heard. No-no-no, don't fantasize all those things. I will be the sharp part of your logic. I will be the sharp intelligence of you. So, you will take the decision without conflict. I will be that part. All of you understand what I am saying… because we have a very wrong opinion about this inner voice.
Especially in the West, some channeling, channelizing, all kinds of nonsense goes on. So, when I happen in you, I will sharpen your logic and intelligence; you will take a right decision without having inner conflicts. Then understand you have a inner voice, I am there. Don't think there will be one voice saying, “Don't go. You will have an accident.” Then your mind will say, “No-no-no, I have to go, my job is there.” And you will come to conclusion – “No-no, inner voice said. I will not go.” No.It will not happen in that way. So, be very clear. It will happen as a sharp logical decision. You will have very clear sharp logic. If I invest here, it will be this. If I go, I think it is not going to work out. You will have a clear intelligence and the decision will come. There won’t be inner conflict.
All of you understand the difference between what you think about inner voice and …. Usually, from the young age we are habituated to talk to God and talk for God. No, real! Talk to God and talk for God. I have seen many people “O Venkateshwara, give me money.” “Oh, you are saying I will'. They will talk! 'I will give you the money, put 10 percent in hundi.” “Ok, alright as you say I will put 10 percent in hundi.” But why don't you deduct that 10 percent and give me the remaining, yourself even if you don' believe.' So, we are habituated…no we are habituated to talk for us and talk for God. So, don't think inner voice will be like that dialogue. No. I will be a clear, utter, intelligent, fulfilment in you as an inner voice. Suddenly you see the decision is non-controversial, unquestioned by your logic, non-controversial and unquestioned by your Being. That's all. Then it’s your inner voice.
So, anything, if you can question, or create a controversy, it's not inner voice. Any inner voice comes, try to create a controversy; if you are able to then it’s not inner voice. Forget about it. All of you understand. That’s the inner voice. Otherwise if you are caught with some other idea, you will fantasizing, hallucinating, “O God is jumping on me, He is talking to me, He is telling me it is right” and half an hour after He will tell it is wrong and all kinds of borderline personalities. No, that is the problem. Psychiatric doctors, they know this word - borderline personalities. Abbbaa. They will come and... See, all kinds of people will come. See, like a Enlightened person is a Shiva. All bhoota, preta, unfit, outfit, all dropouts, everything will gather around Him. No, its usual thing. Vishnu is very choosy. All apsaras, rambhas, Indra, devata, Menaka, Urvashi, all these guys only will gather in Vaikunta. Vaikunta is never described with bhootas and pretas but Kailash, baba...
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Wonderful! There’s one more experience. My experience over these past two days have been intense. I have felt fire burning and cracking my coconut shell. Initially I was in extreme pain realizing that my life has been lot of fantasy. I felt burnt out, my ego hanging froma shredded thread, but now the juice from the coconut is beginning to overflow and I seem to be in a new space of witnessing my interactions, yet with overflowing love and bliss.
Swamiji responds: Wonderful!
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Thank you for the beautiful darshan last night. It was the most beautiful experience I had. What an auspicious day for Enlightenment; will really feel blessed with much gratitude from my entire Being. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You.
Swamiji responds: Wonderful!
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: We are trying to connect to you in so many ways. Please tell us who you are.
Swamiji responds: Connect and see. That's all. ☺
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: What’s your nature?
Swamiji responds: Nature is my nature. That’s all. Actually when you grow, your understanding about Me will grow. See, I don’t want to make any statement about Me. It will look like promoting or…. I always tell people, I don’t want to say ahambrahmasmi, I am God. I want to prove tatvamasi - you are God. So that you will understand who is Me. That's all. Let me give the experience of tatvamasi - You are that, You are God. Then you will understand with whom you are sitting. Otherwise, straightaway saying... My words won’t work for Me. My work will speak for Me.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Thanks for this surprise session. The experiences through the various Bhavas were steadily guiding me towards your Divinity. With decreasing form as we proceeded, I was able to perceive the energy within the form. It was an exhilarating experience. Thank you for so much for your love, friendship and caring towards us.
Swamiji responds: Actually, I can say his Dasa Bhava, his connection with Me has grown to that depth, he was able to drop everything else. So, means I occupied that space also. I have fulfilled that space also. That is what I was telling Madhura Bhava. It does not mean he was dancing around Me or I was dancing around him. Don’t think, I fulfill that space also, that's all. Madura Bhava does not mean you will be holding the hand and running around and dancing around - O God, this-that. Actually you guys, what you go through the class, these fellows did not go through the class, they went through as an experience. They lived around Me and saw every Bhava, felt connected and lived around Me with every Bhava. It was an experience. That is why these guys are so rich. What you hear through the words, they live.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Yesterday morning when you asked us to sit in the Presence of the Master without meditation, mantra, I felt very restless, I had vomiting sensation, tried to stop the vomiting, the processed food particle went into the respiratory passage and this led to ..once the cough subsided, I felt so relaxed, also felt very good. Is this a process?
Swamiji responds: It is a process Ma. It is cleaned. Whenever I ask you to sit in my Presence just like that Ma, it will be very intense process. It’s like a, I open myself.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: It was a great experience to see you in Samadhi. I am indeed very blessed to witness. So far, I have only read about Samadhi, Thanking you so much. ☺
During unclutch meditation I could unclutch from all but the pain in the hip area increased.
Swamiji responds: Ok, in the initial level, Ok.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Tried hard to unclutch from this pain but it kept increasing. I never...
Swamiji responds: Oh, if you have never felt such a pain means it is going out, it is erupting out. Jane, its ok, erupting out. \`
Swamiji: Unclutching from the boredom is the ultimate unclutching. That is the ultimate unclutching. We will work on this after when you have the maha deeksha. Maha deeksha means Healers Initiation. So tomorrow the Bhakti Spurana will be over. Bhakti Spurana means that Bhavas. Then we will go into the Healer’s Initiation. Then we will work on that boredom, unclutching from the boredom. We have not completed it. It has to be done. I can say when you unclutch from boredom you are Enlightened. That is the last fight mind does with you. It’s like when the bulb goes, the fuse goes, it will be bright and die. That is the last part of the mind - boredom. Patanjali says that is the greatest obstacle for a spiritual seeker.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Initially when I started doing unclutching I fell into the dreamlike sleep state where disconnected thoughts were coming out of control.
Swamiji responds: That is not dreamlike state - pranic body- prana sharira
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Apart from the body discomfort I was able to unclutch from the boredom; slowly stopped making the boredom shaft. I don’t know when I stopped with that. This gave me a glimpse of the present moment where everything is now and now and no impact of these shafts created by the mind. That’s when I realized how the mind is playing the trick over us and pulling us down. I felt fresh at the end with minor body discomfort. I realized there's so much to learn to live the Living Enlightenment. I am grateful for this important revelation.
Swamiji responds: A breakthrough… Wonderful!
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: I once heard that every part of the Universe contains the whole. Is this true?
Swamiji responds: Yes. Every part is a whole. There is no part. The whole comes out of the whole and the whole becomes a whole. That is why in the Upanishad the first Veda is the Rig Veda. First Upanishad is Isavasya Upanishad. The first mantra is
Purnamadah purnamidam purnad purnamudachhate Purnasya purnamadaya purnanevavashishyate om shanti shanty shantihi \` Out of the whole the whole comes. Even after the whole removed from the whole, the wholeness never becomes part. The whole remains as a whole.
Only when you see through with a logic-less Being you will understand - the whole world is contained in a small grain. Mathew…it’s a Truth to be experienced.
First time I have understood the purnamadah purnamidam when I read his book. He had a glimpse. He had a satori.He describes beautifully. If you find time try to get that book and read - Tertium Organum TERTIUM ORGANUM. You will have a clear idea about this - how the whole comes from the whole and the whole remains as a whole.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Can you please explain your Bhava towards Devi?
Swamiji responds: O God. Actually, I don’t have a separate Bhava with Devi. I am there, that’s all. I experienced Devi inside this body. I don’t experience Devi separately. I experienced Devi inside this body. Who? Ravi. I experienced Shiva and Devi, both inside this body. There is no two separate thing in Me.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Could you explain exactly what is happening when you have us sit in Upanishad?
Swamiji responds: You see, I open up. I open myself so you are there directly, directly exposed to Me, exposed to My energy. And moreover, you are not doing any technique. So, your being is directly exposed to My Being; so the real Upanishad happens, real process happens.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Is your energy penetrating us and dissolving clots, raising our frequency?
Swamiji responds: Yes, you can use any word – penetrating, raising your kundalini or filling yourself or any word you can use. That is the ultimate happening, that’s all.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: At the start of BSP we were asked to pray for bhakti to happen to us. I went into meditation as intensely as possible. I prayed to God for His blessings to experience bhakti. When I opened my eyes at the end of meditation I felt a curious change in my perception. I find myself becoming a witness to the scenes around me including you and the arati without relating with any feeling or emotion. It felt like I was diving inside the dead body.
Swamiji responds: Wonderful! Good. This is also an happening. Actually, when that emptiness happens suddenly you will see overflowing bhakti starts.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: I just wanted to share about Shambhavi mudra meditation. Very intense, awakened the kundalini shakti fully. I experienced very intensity... after both Mathru and Dasa Bhava the most. Is it alright to connect?
Swamiji responds: You can sometime connect with one or more or all bhavas. No problem. They are all paths; that’s all.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Body, breath and mind, even Consciousness is not it. Then what is unclutching Swamiji? Would unclutching sometime be like a suppression?
Swamiji responds: No, no, no, it can never be.
Sudha, your question? Who put this question? Oh! another one Sudha. Be like suppression?
No, it's not suppression. Continuously let the unclutching become subtle Ma.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: While doing Mathru Bhava meditation I had a strong childlike memory of Saraswatimurti. I used to do puja to it as a small child. This was the most innocent image I got. I still have the murti with me in London, but I am not doing puja anymore. I just wanted to share with you.
Swamiji responds: Wonderful!
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Is it not advisable to practice certain types of meditation at home? For instance, the meditation we experienced body getting blacked.
Swamiji responds: Hmm, so don’t have to practice. Actually, that Kali meditation, nothing wrong in practicing. There are some techniques, especially kundalini awakening and all, even if you practice in the house nothing will happen. It’s a process; my Presence does the job. You will be just sitting-sitting, maybe some ants will go up. ☺ Nothing else will happen.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: It’s a very nice question. Can you tell us with a few words how to prepare for the experience we will have after completing the program? The shock for the people we live and work with may be quite significant. Please give us some light on that.
Swamiji responds: They are only going to, they only have to match up. You don’t have to bother. You will not even bother about patching up. ☺ They will raise to your level and have to patch up if they want to live with you and work with you. No problem, it will be settled.
Swamiji reads Question/sharing: Can you please explain what do you mean when you say \`something is energized? How does it affect us as a person? Does Physical Presence play a role in receiving energy?
Swamiji responds: Yes, it plays a role in receiving energy. When I say something is energized, the reflection of the Consciousness has fallen on that. So, it can be used anytime again to connect with the Consciousness. Amit, you understand what I am saying?
No, you have not understood?
For example, if I say this mic is energized. This is no more just an object. There is a life is also added into it. You see, ordinarily if you hold this mic and remember Me, you will not be able to connect. If I energize this mic, the moment you hold this mic and remember, you will suddenly have that strong connection with Me. It’s like a cell phone. Sim card is the energizing. Ordinary cell phone if you press the number you will not get the line, you will not be able to talk. If you add the sim card just press the number you will have the connection. A spiritual connection will happen through the energized product. That is why the energizing.
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