“Q: It was a great meditation experience, if you had fun watching us -…”
Q: It was a great meditation experience, if you had fun watching us - we also had fun watching you I felt that ‘hoomkara’ as it was coming out of throat. It was going straight out of mouth and it was effortless. If I tried to intense...interfere, sound would get diverted and to upper throat. Was causing scratchy throat. Once I let go, out straight, it was flowing beautiful. It feels so great and open. Can I do moondan?
(0:56) How do we sustain the state of an unblocked Swadhisthana? The effect I felt after today’s meditation, I have not felt by doing any technique on my own . I am sure your presence is the key. But now do I take this back with me? How do I take this back with me?
Relax from the fear of ‘how do I take this back with you’. Wait, this 21 days is a long time. It will just be completely engraved in your system. As and now, relax from this fear. If you carry this fear, this itself will become one more fear. Don’t bother. Live enlightenment now, that’s enough. You see, you are awakened...early morning you wake up, do you have a fear,” Oh, I should not fall asleep and have dreams. What will happen, again if I have some more nightmares? Do you have fear?! You know nightmare can come, I’ll come up. I’ll wake up. So same way, you will not be afraid to fall back into this world and get up, because you know, you know your true nature is this. See, once you know the true nature is this...this reality, you don’t have fear of falling asleep and having a nightmare. Do you have the fear? No! You know, even if there is a nightmare, after a certain peak, you’ll wake up. Same way, once you are awakened, you know, even if you fall back into the same maya, if certain amount of pain or suffering is built, you’ll wake up. You’ll wake up. There is an automatic waking up system. Once you wake up, the automatic waking up system is there. You don’t have to be afraid,” Oh, I’ll fall back into the same maya! I’ll fall into that same rut.” Nothing! You’ll never be the same person. You’ll never fall back into that same person. Don’t worry. Who put the question? - Rishi?...hmmm.
Which would be more the fear of the known or fear of the unknown? I am unable to gage.
Neither fear of known nor fear of unknown. Fear of fear is the most horrible fear. Fear that you may have fear or you will have fear, is the most horrible fear. Understand. Any definite thing, does not create fear in you. You know for sure, next year you are not going to become Bill Gates. You are not afraid of that. But there is a possibility, you may gain little money or less money. You have your border, within that only your fear will be playing. Fear, you may have the….see, fear itself within your possibility only, within your possibilities only. Your..you know for sure, there are certain things in your life. You’ll never be afraid of that, those few certain things. Death is a possibility, it is not certainty. See, death incident itself is a certainty, but the time and the way in which it will happen, all those things are possibilities. We are afraid because the possibility, the freedom is there. The possibility is there. So the worst fear is, fear that you may have fear. That’s the worst fear. Nothing else is worst than this fear. Known, unknown, even know things can create fear. Even unknown things sometimes create fear. But the fear that you may have fear...afraid of fears that is the worst fear. Especially these phobias and all, is fear of fears only. The moment you have an idea, you have this phobia, you’ll start having that effect of that phobia.
When I was on the Himalayas Yatra this year, I was aware of overcoming many fears, especially on the way to Yamunotri. Since then I feel most of my fears I experience as fear strokes rather than generalized fear. Is there a qualitative difference between fear strokes and vagued generalized fears?
Yes. There is a qualitative difference. No doubt about it.
How to manage fear strokes? They are more paralyzing then other fears.
????name of participant????. First thing ma, you cannot manage the fear strokes or fear. Just falling in tune with it. “It’s okay, what can be done, this is the way I am.” Acceptance is the only way, because it is inevitable. This...the moment or the fear is inevitable. You understand? Acceptance is the only way to conquer inevitable things. The fear in you or the fear stroke which is happening in you, are more inevitable things. Accept - suddenly you will see the quality of fear disappears. The moment you accept, let your whole body tremble, shiver, let you have the fear stroke and nausea. Don’t fight with it. When you don’t fight with it, you will see, the fear is a deep peace. You are retracting, you are contracting, you are settling into yourself, you are coming back to the home. When you fight, only then you start creating more problem. With fear - no fight. Fighting won’t help, just accept. When the fear stroke happens, accept, live it, that is the only way.
When I was doing the hoomkara meditation, I felt my ...felt very light headed and had to stop early. When I was placing my awareness in the Swadhisthana chakra, I felt peace and then intense agitation. I wanted people to stop right away. Then I had to remind myself of the Beings….nature of Nithyanandam, then peace followed. But then the second time, the agitation came, I started shaking like...when I was caught in a...in an elevator. Even after the meditation I was shaken...shaken and felt like throwing up. And now I feel light.
It’s a process. It’s a cleansing process.
Swamiji, why does the mind or personality keeps forgetting the Being’s core Nithyanandam? Thank you for all your help, love and blessings.
This is a just a simple process ma.I told you na...this is expected...trembling and shivering and all those things, are expected.
Should one have fears or not? Is this….is it natural to have fears? Can one overcome fears?
This is a...you need to understand this question first. Fear is your nature, but not towards any object. Object is artificial. Having fear is your nature, connecting that fear with an object is societal. Understand. When you take birth, you have pure fear, which is responsible for your rest, peace. See, unless you have fear, you will not be able to sleep. Even sleeping, means coming back, happens because of the pure fear. Pure fear is responsible for you coming back and sleeping. Please understand. Connecting that fear with some object, is societal. Fear of this, fear of that, fear of this - that is societal. But pure fear is natural. So don’t bother about the pure fear, let it be there. For example, if a snake comes, you think I will not run? I will run. Pure fear, simply protecting itself. Pure fear protects itself. And it is spontaneous, it is powerful. But the fear of something, that’s where starts all messing up, all difficulties, all complications. So pure fear is natural. You don’t have to overcome, let it be there. But fear of objects - accept, then you will see...see, the moment you accept your fear, fear loses its power to frighten you. Fear loses its power to frighten you. As long as you fight, resist, only then your fear has the power to frighten you. Once you stop resisting, your fear has no power to frighten you.
Would you explain more, how it works to have fear or desire without an object? Would you explain more, how it works to have fear or desire without an object?
Oh, this is nice question...hmmm. You are asking essence of living enlightenment. You see, when you have a pure desire, you will see kind of a excitement for no reason. You just with….many times you can see, early morning you’ll have that excitement. Early morning, you don’t have any exact idea, what you want to do, but you will jump out of the bed. And you just want to come out and you don’t know what to do! There is no particular object or straight, direct idea what to do, but you are just bubbling, overflowing. This is what I call...how many of you experienced even once this...this feeling? Surely, you would have experienced. This is what I call ‘pure desire without object’. And same way, for no reason suddenly you will feel depressed and you’ll feel like going to your room and locking yourself. You will try to find out - what is the reason, what is the reason? No reason and you feel like you want to lock yourself up in the room. I think, this everybody has felt everyday I think. Felt again and again. This what I call ‘fear for no cause, fear for no reason. So it is natural, this cycle is natural.
These energy cycles are natural. You don’t have to be bothered at all about this. All you need to do, when you have a object connected to your fear or desire, especially when you have a object connected to your fear - accept. That acceptance itself transforms. What can be done? Nothing can be done. No other technique can help accept acceptance with fear. Because more you fight, more you empower the fear. Fear is such, any idea you bring it to overcome, it will be shaken. You will never be able to do. I have seen so many people trying so many ideas. People start chanting “Rama Krishna, Rama Krishna, Rama Krishna, Rama Krishna” - nothing works. See, because you are shouting, your attention may be diverted. I have seen people when they walk alone, that is the time they’ll call all the Devatas - Rama, Krishna, Govinda, Shiva, Vishnu, all Gods! And they feel,”Oh…..”, you see, when you..when you are loudly calling, your attention is diverted. So that moment you may not feel the fear, that does not mean you are out of that fear. Again next day when you are walking alone, the fear is there.
So, no “Rama Krishna, Govinda”, will work at that time. The simple acceptance and allowing the trembling, allowing that fear, allowing that suffering to take over you. Just take bath in that fear. Just let you be showered with that fear and go into that. Go 2-3 times into that fear, you will see next time it’s not touching you anymore. This is the permanent solution. Acceptance is the permanent solution to transform the fear. Otherwise any other technique you use, it will be only diverting the fear. It’ll only be diverting. You’ll never be able to come out of it.
I was having more sensation while doing Swadisthana meditation. Is it because I am having more fear?
Don’t bother about that. It’s just process connected to bio-memory. You don’t have to have so much of worry,” I have more fear I think….”
Fear of losing master’s devotion or faith, does it relate to object? Is it a form of energy?
Understand. You have to have….you see, if you are faith is built, if your devotion is built, on your experiences, you don’t have to have the fear of losing it at all. If it is not built on your experiences, let it be lost immediately. It has no value, it should not be there. Please understand. The devotion towards the master, the faith towards the master, is like a intimate relationship. It’s a beautiful intimate relationship. So let it be built on your experience. How you feel, how you feel connected, how you connect with him, how you relate with him, let that be built on your personal experience. If it is built on your personal experience, it’ll never be lost. It’ll never be lost. If it is not built on your personal experience, then let it be lost now. For example, when you see how you connect with him, when you directly listen, somebody who has connected with him or experienced, when this kind of direct experience happens, when you listen to somebody who is really closely lived with me and I can say, even when you listen an experience of somebody with whom you really feel connected, that becomes your own experience.
For example, yesterday I heard, today morning My secretary was telling, he was sitting with you guys for last night. Yesterday night, he was sitting. When you really connect, his experience also becomes part of you. Suddenly you see, you don’t have to live around Me for 5 years to have that same connection. What he had, what connection he was having with Me, with the 5 years being around Me, just intensely imbibing it or feeling it. You have that same connection, so that also becomes your experience. So if it is...if everything is built on your experience, your understanding, then you don’t have to have the fear of losing it. If it is not yours, if it is not your clarity, then even if I directly show you some miracles, directly show you some...something, you will have doubts. So it’s like the strength and integrity of the person. If you don’t have that strength and integrity, let the faith and devotion be lost now. At least you know you don’t have faith, so you will start creating the integrity. You’ll start becoming integrated. You will start becoming centered.
If the personality is not deep enough, even if you have faith, it is not worthy. If a personality is deep enough, you don’t have to bother, the devotion which you have will never be lost. It’ll be there forever and you know - I am there for you.
While I did...maybe this kind of questions you guys should ask these senior Swamis. They’ll be able to answer more from their experience. See now, what I spoke about this faith and devotion, whatever is said and done, I never lived with a master. So...I exactly experientially I do not know what you guys go through. I know usually what My...what happens in the mind. So I can answer. But these guys experientially go through, what you go through. So these guys can give you much better answers. In some places they are better than Me.
While I did the Swadhisthana meditation, I felt brave instead of fear, so I tried to feel the fear of death.
No, no, you don’t have to try and all. So whatever is there will come out. So don’t bother. I told, fear will come usually because people suppress fear only.
So tried to feel the fear of death, but none was there. I wanted it, then I my body felt flooded with heat, sweat poured off. It was very intense, but I enjoyed it a lot. I wanted it to last forever, I don’t think that was...that this was fear.
You are on the right track. Debbie? Who? So, you are on the right track ma. You don’t have to expect or create fear ma. If it comes out okay. I think if it is not there, enjoy it.
That was a very powerful meditation. I felt an incredible energizing effect from everyone reciting the mantra. Then when we stopped, then it was like a black hole in my Swadhisthana region. It felt like your Being rushed into mine. Then there was no distinction between my Being, Yours or anyone else - Premanadan.
Wonderful. You see….who? Yes. Like this see any one meditation, even one glimpse in any meditation is enough. You will see now, the breakthroughs will be continuously happening. The first breakthrough is important. It’s a real breakthrough, it’s a real opening up. Once that one opening happens, you will see, every meditation adds, opens in new new dimension, new new level. You have a question? Yes… You can please be seated. Wonderful…. Repeat…..actually these words will become a experience. Wonderful. So this first opening, happens usually after a few meditation techniques. Then you will see, every meditation will have a new opening. The first opening only will take little time. Once that happens, like this what he is telling that.” I could feel very clearly there was no difference between my Being and other’s Beings.” That’s what I call, I am not alive in this skin, I am alive in this skin also. Like this one glimpse. Then you will see, suddenly you will be able to connect with all meditations, suddenly you are able to connect with all the words I am uttering. Suddenly everything falls in place. That is what I call awakening. It is no more words, it’s no more theories, I am not proposing any theories any more. See, till you have that first opening, whatever I am talking, you may believe,” Okay, when He says I can’t tell anything. He doesn’t….He must be...He may be knowing more than me.” And you may be believing. It’s more ????? words words words, but once one or two openings start happening, then everything is solid truth. You will just...you will drink Me. Whatever is coming out, you will just imbibe, you will just swallow.
During the Hoomkara meditation, I suddenly developed a severe headache, which disappeared totally after some time. I felt like jumping and dancing after the whole meditation is over.
Means the whole body, the pure fear is spreading. See, pure fear is energy. It’s a deep peace. When the deep peace is experienced, you feel so much rejuvenation - the rejuvenation, joy. The rejuvenation is felt only by pure fear. Whenever fear happens to you, understand, you are getting rejuvenated.
Where does courage come from and how is it related to fearlessness?
When you experience pure fear and relax and the...again the rejuvenation feeling which you feel is what is courage.
In Nithya Yoga, during visualization, however hard I tried, I am not able to get photo of my body in my….into mind. It is blank. How do I get awareness of my body?
Oh, this is a maybe first two..one or two days you will have this problem. After that it won’t be a problem because you will just be able to make your frame. When you close your eyes, you see the negative of you na? That is enough. That itself will help you.
Not related to above question. Does only human beings get enlightened?
Unless an enlightened master or avatara purusha intervenes, only human beings can get enlightened. If he intervenes, he can liberate animals. Ramana Maharshi did, Ramakrishna did, like these great incarnation, they have interfered and they have done as an exemption, but as a rule, human beings only get enlightened. Even Devatas don’t get enlightened. Even the Devatas, if they have to get enlightened they have to come down to the Planet Earth as a human being, only then they can get enlightened. Indra, Vayu, Varuna, all the guys, if they want enlightenment, if they want to have enlightenment, they have to come here. Indra Loka is nothing but a more or less like a 7 star hotel. Understand. No that’s all. So…. that’s all. It’s little luxurious. Otherwise there is nothing special about it. You will feel bored. If you are depressed, even if you are staying in 7 star hotel, what is the use? No, really I tell you, all Devatas are depressed.
No really! What will you do? So much of women, wine and how many days you’ll enjoy?! 2-3 days, after that… all Devatas are depressed. Don’t bother. I am telling from experience. All Devatas are depressed. See, in the Planet Earth, I have seen only 2 people are happy, living blissfully. One, enlightened beings, another one - people who are living around enlightened beings, that’s all. Nobody else, nobody else is blissful in the whole Cosmos. In the whole Cosmos, nobody is blissful except enlightened beings and people who are living around enlightened beings. When they live around enlightened beings, they just live in His light. They just experience His light, so they are living happily. Otherwise Indra Loka, Chandra Loka and all, just one more luxurious hotel - Taj hotel or Meridian, Le Meridian like that that’s all. Little bigger Le Meridian. Little bigger Oberoi that’s all. And suddenly, terrorists also attack. You don’t know. That’s what we call demons. Suddenly these fellows come and land. Ravana comes and lands, the Chandals comes and lands, Munda comes and lands. That is what becomes Purana. That’s all. See, now the police has….army has been sent. Then Dev Sena will be sent. The Army of Gods will be sent with Subramanya and he goes and kills all the people and comes back. So this is the same drama happening for eternally.
This is some of the wonderful experiences...the Swadhisthana meditation was really an amazing oneness. I filled in circles... in our seats I experienced 2 things and different movements. First I was getting into the ????????. I suddenly felt with a Shiva Lingam, as I continue to spin I felt one with Shiva. Sensation was that I felt there was large cobra, as I continue to spin and put chakra awareness, it made think of doing aarti and ring the bell.
Maybe, you are person who is devotion based. Try to go to aarti whenever you find time and do puja. That will make you completely connected with that energy. Gauri? Try to do puja. These are all the ways, you will discover your own technique. Now, when you feel connected to that, then that is your technique. You should try. See, puja will not….may not work for all. But for some people, it will straight away connect. It will straight away connect and nothing will needed. Simple puja is enough, they will be ecstasy. They will just be living enlightenment. So, try it.
You mentioned Indra Loka, Dev Loka, Vaikunta, can you….
No, no, Vaikunta is different. You see, Vaikunta is enlighten space. Don’t connect Vaikunta with the Indra Loka and Deva Loka. Vaikunta and all, you can reach only by pure devotion. You cannot reach by doing some yajna, doing some nonsensical ritual, but Indra Loka and Deva Loka you can reach by ritual. You can just...if you just...can make enough money to go there, you can go. But for Vaikunta you need a special visa. Even money won’t do. Vaikunta and Kailash and all, it’s a different space, which can be reached only by the purity of the Being. But Indra Loka and all these things, you don’t need purity of the Being or any tapas is not required.
What is whole Cosmos all about how it rises, why it rises and what is play going on? Related to this, how does the individual soul move between worlds? I have read some things about this in Autobiography of Yogi, but it’s not very clear. You have also not talked about this in any of the videos that are in Youtube.
Who put the question? I will talk. You have 21 days, I’ll talk all these things very slowly. We’ll keep all those questions for waiting list. See, first I want to do - give a solid experience to you. Then all these casual chats we can do later on.
During the last session constantly seeing graphical elements, some logos, some posters with the design elements….
Kavya, you are a designer na…
Can you please me what is pure fear and pure greed? I still am confused.
I think, energy going up overflowing for no reason is pure greed. Energy settling back, rewinding for no reason is a pure fear. Understand this. When there is no object is involved, it is pure fear and greed. When there is….you see, when the energy is just overflowing, if you think because of this object or this memory or this experience I am overflowing, it becomes greed, ordinary greed. When the energy is contracting, if you think because of this object or this thing I am contracting, it becomes ordinary fear. If you know the science, when is your….when you are exploding and when you are contracting, you will very clearly know it’s a pure fear and pure greed, I am only creating unnecessary outer fear and outer greed. It’s a liberating experience.
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