“Swamiji: You are actually Consciousness.”

Swamiji: You are actually Consciousness. When you think you are a man you hypnotise yourself. When you think you are a body you hypnotised yourself. Unclutch again dehypnotise, you will become Consciousness. The whole process is dehypnotising; not hypnotising. You already hypnotised yourself thinking you are a body and mind. That is hypnotism. Now I am teaching you to dehypnotise yourself.

Participant: So when you heal people you are not using hypnotism.

Swamiji: No, no, no I am dehypnotising them. I am not hypnotising them.

Participant: Swamiji, if we don’t exist and you don’t exist who is asking the question and who is answering.

Swamiji: For you if you exist I exist. For me I myself don’t exist then how can you exist.

Participant: I know you are trying to say something but I am still not able to catch it

Swamiji: Beautiful incident from Poonjaji: Any of you heard of him? Poonjaji from Pune... Pappaji, they call him Papaji, Poonjaji. Somebody asked him, “Enlightened people don’t have Karma. How are you working?” He said, “I am not doing anything.” They asked him, “No, you are talking to us. What about this.” He says, “I am not talking to you.” He is talking; he is saying, “I am not talking to you.” And he says one important Truth... that is the Truth here also. “You listen to Me because you wanted to listen to Me. Your seeking responds.” Understand you are sitting in front of hollow bamboo. The sound you are listening is what you want to listen.

Participant: Exact same thing J Krishnamurti was very old and about to leave the body he was trying to say this. I watched a clip and I still didn’t get it. And I still don’t get it.

Swamiji: If you have to get it I think unclutching is the only way. See even if once you touch that space of ‘you are not there’ then you will understand what I am talking. Then you will understand what I am talking. Even if you understand ‘you are not there’ that’s enough. Actually more than this, words also can’t do anything. You understand? More than this, words also can’t do anything. I can say this way...you are seeing, you are seeing this body sitting and both talking. Hmmm. You are there inside your body so you think I am here inside this body. You understand? That’s wrong. Because I am outside this body I know you are also outside that body. Because you are inside that body you think I am inside this body. Because I am outside this body I know you are outside this body.

Participant: [Some question not clear]

Swamiji: You have to only experience....you are now intellectually understanding and proposing the question. You understand? I am throwing the bomb as an experience, as an inspiration for you. Hmmm. Because you are inside that body you think I am inside this body. I am not present here as you are present. After I die I will not be absent as you are absent. You understand? I am not present here as you are present. After I leave the body I am not going to be absent as you are absent. After I leave the body I am not going to be absent as you will become absent. You understand what I am saying.

Participant: Not Really

Enlightened Masters are... See, dead Masters are not dead as you think. Living Masters are not alive as you think.

Participant: Are you trying to say that energy is what is there?

Swamiji: Even the idea energy you have idea. At least you understand you are not able to catch it?

Participant: Yes I do

Swamiji: Dead Masters are not dead as you think. Living Masters are...you see, now My absence has a body, after I leave the body or leave this place, my Presence will not have the body. Now My absence has the body. Hmmm. When this body moves from here My Presence will not have this body. Now My absence does not have this body; when this body moves and goes out of this hall, My presence will be here, will not have this body. I am trying to give him at least one click. That’s what I am trying. I am not trying to give, teach this Truth to you. I am trying to give one click. If I give one click, one hit, the whole thing zigzag puzzle will fall in place....for you. See, now I am saying My absence does not have this body – means there is something beyond this body. So when this body leaves that is after all going to be here. That is what I call ‘My Presence will not have the body’. Got it? Contemplate on it.

Swamiji: Now... see ma people who are having the concepts if intellectually they open up, they open up completely with Me; straight away the energy goes; because emotionally they don’t have anything... its emptiness; just straight away it can go inside. The emotional stop blockage will not be there. People who are emotionally connected, for them the intellectually they don’t have any stuff. Straight away the energy will go inside. It’s like a different kinds of connections.

Participant: So yesterday during the meditation I was breathing in and out the darkness and suddenly I had a thought that this is the body which is doing the breathing and I just started visualising that the silence which is around which is intense I am part of that silence. And from that perspective as soon as I saw that this body is taking the breath and leaving it out...first thing I noticed is everything started falling my hands which were very tight they became suddenly lighter. And then I am just seeing it doing in and out...up to an extent and that situation this body is there but I am not with the body. I am in some sense outside of the body. Is it a similar expression Swamiji?

Swamiji: I can say you have a glimpse. Unclutch even from that, that will become a stable thing in you; Expanding and deeper different.

Participant: Swamiji is this Presence you are talking about will be there everywhere where I go

Swamiji: Hmm. In Vedanta they call it as ajata; understand there are three kinds of understanding in Vedanta. First understanding is

Normal man: World is there. I am seeing it – is a normal man

Second level: A seeker - I am seeing the world as I wanted it - A seeker.

The ajata - There is nothing to be seen, nothing is there; no seer, seen or seeing. This is ajata.

Understand.

First: world is there I am seeing is the normal - it’s called jagrat.

And I am seeing the world as I wanted is called vivartha, vivartha.

First: ordinary way srishti drishti, then drishti srishti I am seeing as I wanted.

Then above all ajata means unborn, never born, never died, never existed... it’s there. It’s like a many buzz words put together.

Participant: so if you are fully unclutched you should see that nothing; thats when you have unclutched

Swamiji: You don’t even have to have that scale. Just continuously unclutch, unclutch. Unclutching is the limitless continuum. Opening you to the limitless continuum is Living Enlightenment. I have done My job, if I open you to the limitless continuum I am done.

Participant: So you are just a path?

Swamiji: Not even that

Participant: Is that what You mean by the relationship between me, the world and God

Swamiji: Hmm Jeeva, Ishwara, Jagat

Participant: Finally you will realise only God exists

Swamiji: No, not even only God; you can say only world exists or only you exist, only anything or only exists. When it is only how can you use any of these three names? All three names are invalid. It’s like if you merge all three states you can’t take any one state name. The other two fellows will fight. You have to give a new name. That’s all.

Participant: What I understand is there is something spreaded everywhere

Swamiji: No, even the idea spreading everything...

Participant: No what I am saying I can connect with that through this body. Right? When I go to Australia how can I connect with that?

You think this is not there in Australia? Australia is inside this.

Participant: How can I experience that connection? Now I can experience that connection through this body.

Swamiji: That is why living around this body is little important. You are here but that does not mean you can’t connect. Now this connection this remembrance is enough to connect you there also. Once the peace maker is set inside you can switch it on anywhere

Participant: Swamiji, You become conscious of necessity for unclutching only when you feel that you are clutched that is when you become restless.

Swamiji: No, no, no, no whenever you remember, be unclutched; whenever you remember just unclutch

Participant: Is there necessity of unclutching or go on unclutch

Swamiji: Whenever you remember the unclutching remember.

Participant: Even if it’s a desire Swami? Like I see something and say, “Oh I can get something with unclutching and then I remember unclutching. Then I unclutch from that desire

Swamiji: No, no, no you don’t have to unclutch from the desire. Try unclutching; if you are unclutched from the desire, okay; otherwise if the desire stays let it stay. See... do not use unclutching for decision making. Use unclutching as your lifestyle. When you use it for decision making, whenever your vested interests are disturbed you will not want to unclutch. You will not want to unclutch. Just remember.... and even without... you see, it should not be used as a weapon to escape from the decisions which you don’t want to make. It’s like a Consciousness pervading you, penetrating, filling you.

Participant: Regarding that bomb that You said please talk about the triputi bheda

Swamiji: Triputi bheda only I said seen, seer and the seeing; seen, seer and the seeing act. When the seer relaxes from the idea that he is seeing, suddenly the gap between seen and the seer disappears and dissolves into the seeing. That’s why I am saying the whole world is living. Continuously living, living, living... that’s all, being... existing.

Omnipresent is one and the same. But you have an idea omnipresent like a big ocean or a ...that idea is wrong. That and all when I talk to you as a fact; the factual level My biography is written; in the Truth level My biography is different.

Participant: So nothing descended actually

Swamiji: Nothing descended because nothing ascended. If something has descended as you then something has descended as Me.

Participant: What I perceive as the world is the world then

Swamiji: So you see that is spoken in the level of fact - Comparative Reality. This I am talking in Existential Reality; Existential Reality and Comparative Reality. See when I told all those statements - that is Comparative Reality. In Comparative Reality My Biography is written. In Existential Reality, see... understand, in Comparative Reality I live and biography is written. In Existential Reality the script is there, I am living.

Participant: Can I give You one example from two days ago meditation when we wrote our life desires, fears I had a strong feeling that so much has happened without my planning or designing but through that all I suffered a lot. But it still happened the way it must happen and it will continue to happen. It was a very strong feeling

Swamiji: Then unclutching is the best way.

Participant: Swamiji here again maybe it is my mind. Here how will I distinguish my mind, intellect and intelligence?

Swamiji: Understand even if you get confused and do some mistakes its okay. That is what I am asking you as guru dakshina. You understood whatever from Me as Intelligence... live with it. If you make some mistakes and lose something think that is a guru dakshina given to Me.

Participant: I want to share what I feel right now. I was telling the emptiness within me and I see the world also that everything is there but nothing is there but there was a small fear because I was holding on to your thoughts and to Your form that if I stop thinking about You maybe I’ll lose You. In a subtle way there was a fear. You just explained me just unclutch and the juice will be there. I feel so fulfilled.

Swamiji: See My juice is much more deeper than My form ma. That is what again and again I tell these guys. But initial level these guys don’t believe and don’t understand. These guys don’t understand; My juice, My essence is much more beautiful taste than what you think as Me. That’s a big problem I face with all these close devotees. They so much clutch or hold on, I tell them, “arey I am much more deeper than what you think”.

Participant: Ya so it really...thank you Swamiji.

Swamiji: You see, that when it happens is Maha Bhava. That is Maha Bhava till then it is all paava only ... paava means sin.

Participant: Swamiji if we don’t exist as we think we are, then who we are

Swamiji: Ask yourself. Ask yourself. I asked and I found. I am happy. Any answer I give will be my answer. My answer cannot quench your thirst.

Participant: Do we really exist?

Swamiji: Look, look, look inside. Sometime you may feel you exist sometime you may not feel you exist. Whether you say you are a sunya or you are a purna - its Truth if you looked inside and said.

Participant: Thank you Swamiji

Participant: Swamiji, so what she was talking about is that why when I first got here I had the sensation of I feel much closer to You at home than here with Your form.

Swamiji: No, I don’t think you will feel distant from Me if you are in the form. Then I don’t think that will happen. You can feel closer to Me... how you feel the same way everywhere. But I don’t think when you come near the form the distance will increase. No, no, no, maybe that is also a starting level love, starting level. See sometime being near many things in you has to be altered. It’s that. See when you are just around My photograph you can do anything you want. But when you are around Me some decency need to be maintained, some distance need to be maintained, some kind of attitude needs to be maintained. That is where the distance starts. Even you see when you are near My photograph you can look into My eyes but directly you cannot, you will not be able to; like that the subtle distance starts. And you need to take care that the attitude which I maintain towards you is not disturbed. See the attitude which I maintain also needs to be taken care. And with My photograph, the photograph doesn’t have any attitude towards you. You are the king. What attitude you maintain you imagine that photograph is also maintaining that same attitude. But when you are in the present I have one fence I have one fence around Me and I play the game in a very socially polite, polite game. So that is where this feeling of the distance starts. And Krishna would have had the same problem.

Participant: Swamiji if that’s the case if there is only Existence exists, then why when we come near you or we go to banyan tree and all that we feel a bit connected or some kind of energy.

Swamiji: Little better fact...you understand

Participant: It’s the same thing everywhere, then why can’t we feel it everywhere?

Swamiji: See, the same thing everywhere only after you experience. The statement ‘same thing everywhere’ is Truth. The banyan tree exists, I exist is a fact. You are connecting, mixing these two. You understand? You are bringing that you take that as a supposition and ask question from this plane. It’s like you say if I get into the train I will reach Chennai. And you are sitting in USA and say, “I am getting into the train I am not reaching Chennai.” That word ‘Existence is everywhere’ belongs to different country. And this word – ‘banyan tree exists, I exist’ is a different country. So if you say that “if you get into the train number 12 B you will reach Chennai” - this statement is true in Bharat. And you get into the 12 B train in USA; can you say, “Eh I am not reaching Chennai”? Different plane

Participant: Swamiji, if there is one Existence why do we all have individual identities?

Swamiji: Just again see if you look inside and ask why I have identity you will see it is not there. It’s not there.

Participant: Are You always in that thoughtless state ...zero thought

Swamiji: Hmmm sahaja sahaja. No time, no action moves me out of that.

Participant: Now, if You say to me now, You are with me wherever I go that means that higher

Swamiji: Yes the Cosmic Nithyananda.

Participant: So will You be doing that with me? So You will be with me every time?

Swamiji: Yes, when I give that word I mean it. See the Cosmic Nithyananda uses this body as a microphone just like how you use that microphone. You use that microphone to reach Me, what you want to tell Me. Same way I use this microphone to reach you what you want. Microphone can never claim it is speaking. That’s why I say I can never claim I am talking. ☺ That’s what I told him, I am not talking he is not believing what to do.

Participant: Swamiji You say certain things happen in the Presence of the Master. So that is also in this plane? Why they don’t happen over a distance. Or is it because only when you are doing a process there is that necessity to be

Swamiji: Hmm when it comes to this process this is the way. But if you want like miracles and all, many places in many houses in Malaysia, I am sitting here, in Malaysia, even in San Hose many places many devotees houses out of my photo vibhooti is coming, kumkum is coming. That and all is Presence only; so different process different level. You understand. This same process which we are doing, it may not happen if you are sitting in other country. Because not that I am not available there... you will not be available there. You will not think I am available there. You understand? See now you think I am available to you; an Enlightened Being is available. You will not think this same thing sitting in your bedroom sitting in front of My photo. Even in front of My photo if you think I am available, this same process can happen.

Swamiji: Mind is not such a small mechanism as you think. You used a simple word as a “ohhh mind”.

Participant: Swami when the Cosmic Energy is speaking through You, does everything You do is Cosmic Energy...because sometimes...

Swamiji: Yes, EVERYTHING. That is why no mistake can happen

Participant: What was the question?

Swamiji: If Cosmic Energy is talking through Me is everything You do is Cosmic Energy? That is what... no mistake can happen. Looks too much na... fool proof ☺

Participant: Now you already promised that you are going to be with us always. If that is the case why should we try to unclutch? We will just start living.

Swamiji: No problem. You can live without unclutching. I will continue to be with you. Whatever you are doing I will enjoy seeing it. Over.

Participant: Ya, that’s what I think. Why should we worry about unclutching and everything?

Swamiji: See this understanding is enough, nothing is required. Actually if this understanding does not happen, unclutching is required. If you have this understanding, that’s enough; you will see miracles happening around your life; continuously miracles happening. If this one clicks with you just have that click that’s enough. Keep that click in your heart as if you got the best treasure and enjoy it, that’s enough; cherish it, that’s enough. Any one click which hits your heart, cherish it... that’s enough. You are Living Enlightenment.

Participant: Swamiji You expressed that you are in Maha Bhava

Swamiji: No I am not saying Maha Bhava. When you feel completely connected, the juice of Me, somebody is in Maha Bhava. Tell Me what you want to ask. Maha Bhava? Maha Bhava means, you see, how you feel you are to you same way you feel Master also to you; its Maha Bhava. How you feel yourself...you see everything is secondary to you than you, that intensity if you feel with the Master its Maha Bhava.

Participant: It is different and much better than say Maitri Bhava

Swamiji: Yes, yes, Maitri, Madhura, all Bhavas. See there are five Bhavas, major Bhavas - Dasa Bhava, Matru Bhava , Vatsalya Bhava , Sakha Bhava , Madhura Bhava . You will go through now, in the next BSP you will go through all these things. You will learn all the Bhava’s towards the Existence and you will learn everything. All these Bhava’s put together and much more is Maha Bhava. Means straight feeling if somebody touches this skin how I will feel same way if I feel somebody touches your skin - in Maha Bhava.

Participant: Swamiji why the individual identity had to be created first of all which creates all the trouble

Swamiji: ☺ All the three questions which you asked is the same.

See understand the answer needs to come from a different plane and the question is from different plane. You think can any time the matching happen? See the answer needs to come from the Creator but the Creator is in different plane. The logic with which you are questioning...it’s like one ant is asking the elephant why are you and me same colour? Why did you make yourself black? Don’t you know I am also black you should have changed the colour. Will that elephant answer?

Participant: No way

Swamiji: The elephant will not even hear the question. Same way, your logic from which the question is arising is totally different. And the logic in which the Existence is, Creator is staying is totally different. So raise your logic that is the only solution.

Participant: So the ant has to realise

Swamiji: Hmm the ant has to become elephant only then your question, answer, logic, argument, romance, anything can happen.

Participant: Okay thank you Swamiji☺

Participant: Swamiji, what’s the process that happens so that when I feel when You are not here and in Your Presence in Your form is the same

Swamiji: The process is same; your response may be different. Process is same. The process is same your response may be different. Now when you are in My Presence the process which I am doing is same, when you are away the process which I am doing is same. But here you may feel different response there you may feel different response because of your faith; whether you are in front of Me or not based on that

Participant: When I think about being connected with you on a omniscient level and I drop the body and everything dissolves, I think about it being like going to the cave last night in the woods where there is nothing but just peace and Existential Energy but there is no manifestation of that. Is that what it’s like?

Swamiji: There is no manifestation of that...when it is needed it will manifest relax. Manifestation doesn’t have to be the, you see do not have any attitude or anything process for some manifestation. Just have the process what manifests enjoy.

All right now let us unclutch. Understand. Let’s enter into the practical part of initiation. Now we had the theory part of initiation. Then we will go into practical part of initiation, then viraja homa, then the actual initiation, means, directly touch from the Master. So four levels of initiation – we call it the sambhashana; sambhashana is this, then darshana – seeing, seeing does not mean seeing Me... seeing inside, then sparsha - touch. So sambhashana is over, let us start darshana.

Understand now I am describing the essence of unclutching. When any thought raises in you, any idea raises in you, just remember idea unclutching, be unclutched or unclutch. Then naturally the thought will disappear. After few second or after few moments thought may come, something may come. Then again unclutch. If nothing is coming be there. If you have the thought ‘nothing is coming’ again unclutch from that. Unclutch from that. If it is gap... you don’t even know if it is gap - enjoy, if you know it is gap - unclutch from the idea of gap. If there is gap, you will not be aware it is gap. If there is gap you will not even be aware it is gap. Understand. So if you are aware there is gap - unclutch from the idea that there is a gap.