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11 July 2007

“Second Sutra.”

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Second Sutra. Beautiful Narada Bhakti Sutra.

|| Sa Twasmin Para, Prema Rupa || (0:22)

Let me give the translation.

That verily is the nature of Supreme Love of God. He says, "Supreme Love, you have, if it is turned towards God, that is called Bhakti". All of you have Supreme Love, for what you think as you. If you think you are the body, you will have the Supreme Love for the body. If you think you are your identity, you will have the Supreme Love for that identity. Whatever, you think as you, you will have Supreme Love for it. Directing that, towards the Consciousness which continuously excites you, is Bhakti. When I say God, do not think something, somewhere in far...No! The energy, which gives you constant excitement, inspiration is God. If you can direct your Supreme Love towards that Consciousness, you are God. You are experiencing God. You are in the devotion.

How to direct yourself, to that Super-Consciousness, to that intense exciting energy? See, yesterday I was telling you, just remember, whatever is happening is auspicious. It may...sometime, when you remember, you may think, what nonsensical idea it is. How can, I believe, whatever is happening is auspicious. But when you are in depression, when you are in really some trouble, if you remember this idea, suddenly you will see-yes, I think, even this suffering, which I am going through, has some meaning for me. See, now, your suffering is imaginary, you cannot conquer it. When you are really going through a suffering, if you use this idea as a Astra (2:53), using Shaastra (2:56) as a Sastra (2:57). Sastra (2:59) means weapon, Shaastra (3:01) means knowledge-the Truth. Use this Shaastra (3:06) (knowledge) as Sastra (weapon), to attack your suffering. Suddenly you will see... yes, this has got something to teach me. This is adding something to me. I am expanding. Yes, this has some meaning in my life.

Understand, the same concept, now I am saying, whatever is happening is auspicious. Now it may not make big sense, if you sit and imagine-Ah! if my close near and dear one dies, will I be able to remember this concept and come out of that suffering? If you imagine now, you can't. Your mind will say, no no no no no...I can't handle all those things. Don't imagine now. When really some suffering happens-when it is not imaginary, when it is real-use this weapon, use this idea. You will see, it's working....it is working.

Any idea, which clicks, during the real suffering and relieves you from the suffering-this idea is initiation.

Understand. You received some idea from a Master, and it really clicks-when you are facing a suffering. No initiation will click through imagination. That's an important thing you need to understand. If you are sitting now itself and thinking--if a landslide happens, I am caught in that-how can that be auspicious. It's a imaginary, you can't answer. But, when it is happening, this very idea, start use...use. You will see, everything it's teaching. And I tell you, even death, when it is happening, just bring this idea-to your being. Yes, it must be doing something good to me. You will see, you will realize the truth-that you are expanding. You are just developing yourself, you are updating yourself. See this body has become old, tired and this mind also-lot of guilt-the unforgettable sufferings have become too much. The miseries and sufferings, which you can't forget has become too much. So naturally you decide, let me throw this away, and get new system. Let me get a new hardware and new software, to start working. See your hardware also, become tired, by using, damaal damaal damaal (5:44) here, there and software also become full of virus. Your guilt-sufferings and miseries which you are not able to forget-completely disturbed. Then what to do? What to do-you throw the whole thing-decide to get a new body. Understand. This knowledge, this experience will land, only when you face the suffering and use this knowledge. Not when you are sitting and imagining. If you are sitting now and imagining-if I die, and then if I remember this- this is also good for me-will I be able to face the death? Your mind will start asking, no no who knows-I am going to come back? who knows I am going to get better body? Who knows? It'll create only more and more imagination. Because, problem itself is imagination, solution cannot come. Any solution comes, your mind will create only more and more imaginary problems.

Initiation means, the Shaastra (6:52) which is given to you, which clicks and liberates you during the real suffering. This is initiation. This is what we call, Deeksha. Every thought, any knowledge, any truth which comes up and liberates you, during the real suffering is a bridge, which..which is...bridge to take you to the Conscious state. See, before the suffering, you can't solve it. During the suffering, when you use this weapon, suddenly you see, you have solved it. Means, you are again back in the inspired energy. The suffering has disappeared. The depression has disappeared. You are in the Conscious state. You are free. You are Liberated. You are in the mood of Celebration. Means, this knowledge, this Sastra (7:55) connects you back to your source. Having, enough of weapons to attack the depression and ability to get back to the Conscious State is the path for Bhakti. I think I am making too many long statements. Understand, but I am giving you the sharp, straight definitions. I'll just take two minutes for these Tamil fellows to explain.

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I added two-three points there, I will translate that in English now. Because, it is a such a....actually, this one idea can transform you completely. That's why I told...I translated in...told in English..in Tamil. See, Ramakrishna says, which initiation will click at what time and lift you, you don't know. So any word, which comes out of the Master's being, should be heard, meditated and internalized as it is. That is why they say, Enlightened Consciousness, whatever word comes out is mantra, even if it comes out with grammatical mistakes. All these Upanishads, if you read, you will see, so many grammatical errors and mistakes in Sanskrit. But they are never corrected.

And even if you listen my English, somehow I am managing. The problem is, what they are speaking, can't be spoken by words. Logic is too poor, too small. You see, can you describe this experience after going back? You can't! You can use few words, "Oh! 360 degrees there was hills and there was a falls and Swami was sitting in a cart(13:56). But this can't add everything. This can't put everything together. There is lot...something more than that...this cozy feeling, this intimate feeling. This intimate feeling you will never get in lecture halls....in, lecture halls...especially in the US lecture halls, which is completely air-conditioned and nothing wrong can happen. No that is a problem. See, intimacy will happen, only when there are survival threats. No really, I tell you. See, if there is some landslide and we can't go anywhere, we all have to stay one night and there is no water also. Our intimacy will become totally different. There, we are there...just for each other. That is why, always, they say, the master disciples, they should stay in forest. Means completely dependent on each other. There is no..nothing else, nobody else...just completely dependent on each other. We should be just lost in some of this forest-no light, no power, nothing. Only little food, maybe for survival. Then, I will also teach whatever I know, you have to learn whatever I tell you.

You see, and moreover, when that kind of infrastructure is there, I have nothing to gain from you. So, whatever I say is truth. You have...you have no reason to suspect me. See if we are all in comfortable infrastructure, you have all reasons to suspect me. I maybe teaching for my own ends. But when there is no such infrastructure, and there is nothing, you know very clearly, what I am saying is a straight truth, because I have nothing to get from you...I have nothing to get from you. Your money cannot add anything to me...and nothing is...nothing can be added. So, when that clarity is there, that level of trust is totally different...level of trust is totally different. That is why these great truths are delivered in the forest, where disciple does not need to enrich the master and master does not need to enrich the disciple in the outer world. That is why, the trust was so deep...the both side, they were able to enrich each other in the inner world. Completely internalizing, as it is.

As I was telling you, you can't describe this seen. What will you describe? You can't describe. Words are too poor. That's why we call "Arshaprayoga"(16:53) . Understand, Arsha Prayoga(16:56) means...you can't even call the mistakes made by rishis as a mistake. It's called ArshaPrayoga (17:06)-their expression. We are nobody to judge it is as...we can't even say, "It is a mistake, but we don't correct it, we tolerate it". No! You have no right, even to say it's a mistake. It is a expression of a rishi...expression of a rishi. Because, what I am trying to talk, trying to tell is impossible to tell, impossible to talk. But I am trying to tell, whatever way I can, whatever language you can understand. That is where all these problems starts.

Anyhow, all the words which is staying in you, which starts working, whenever is needed, and brings you out of your Supreme Love, for body and your identity, and turns that same love towards your Pure Inner Consciousness is Bhakti. All those thoughts are bridge to Bhakti. Understand, you not staying in depression is a basic necessity for your Bhakti. Many people come and tell me, "I have so much Bhakti for God, but I am always punished and depressed." It is pure cheating. A bhakta can never suffer. Person who is suffering can never be a bhakta. First, you see the definition of Bhakti, what Narada says, "Sa Twasmin Para, Prema Rupa"(18:54). That verily is the...is of the nature of Supreme Love of God. Understand, you will suffer, only if your Supreme Love is directed towards your body or towards your identity. You cannot suffer if it is directed towards, your Pure inner space or Consciousness which is God. So if you are suffering, never say you have Bhakti. You are just cheating....you are just cheating.

How to, then always be in that bliss? Then, have initiation. Initiation means, listening to the teachings of the master, which will elevate you, liberate you, instantaneously. Whenever the real suffering starts happening, it'll just open up. It's like a pop-up actually. It'll just pop-up and break the suffering. Suddenly, you will see, you are back to...that..your original Consciousness.

For example, I can give you some of the, strong initiation ideas now. During Sanyas, you are asked to, just go into the death. You see, let me give you some of these...few, strong clicks, strong initiations. Then you will understand, what I mean by the word initiation and how it can lead to real Bhakti. During Sanyas, you are asked to go through a....your own death. Because, death is a one thing which is, most certain thing for which you are not prepared. You are prepared for everything-you are prepared for your old age, you are prepared for this, you are prepared for that. You are even prepared for your cremation expenses, especially in America. In America, "Coffins for sale!" No really, one day-she was telling me. he got a call early morning and they were asking, "Sir, now we are really giving for a sale your cremation prices". In Bharat, nobody can ask this. They will cremate the person who asks. See, you are prepared even for that-cremation, coffin and...I heard that a...the important lots are available...the..uh..uh..uh?...uh view lots. As if these fellows can lie down and die and see everything. What kind of nonsense is going on! And 5,000 dollar.....in Bharat, even when we live, we don't spend 5,000 dollar to build a house. What about dying?! Anyhow, we are prepared even for that. But we are not prepared to face the death experience itself. We are always afraid. We don't even want to think.

So, all the people, who want to take Sanyas, they are...has to go through that experience-that becomes a big click once you go through that experience. After that, whenever you remember, "Are, I am already dead! What is there?" Any suffering-this one memory, "I am already dead, what is there to a...bother". Suddenly you will see that suffering will disappear. That will not have any place. If you go through even once that...that death experience, there is nothing, which you...can give you suffering. You can...you will feel, "Aye, whatever days I am now living is a bonus already. Already, it is a free gift-extension. Then, what is there to suffer?" And there will...there are few more initiations done. Every part of the body will be offered to the master in the fire. They will take the small piece of grass and connect with that body, with the mantras and offer that grass into the fire, means-offering to the master. It is offered to the master-every part-surrendering. Whenever you have a problem, just remember, "Ah! That is already his, if he wants, let him run, otherwise it is okay". Suddenly you will see, the suffering won't be there...suffering, will not be there. Like this, strong ideas, which is inserted into you, as an experience by the master, which comes up during suffering and liberates you from the suffering, takes you back to the Pure Conscious State.-these techniques, these clicks are only called as initiations. Blessed are those who had initiations from the master.

See, whenever I am sitting and talking, suddenly some idea will click."Are, this is what I was thinking". Your eyes will just open. Your eyes will just expand, "This is what I was thinking, so right, so clearly expressed". Then, initiation has happened. You are suddenly sitting straight, the Kundalini is raising. The initiation is happened. Means, that idea, that truth, that Shaastra (24:56) will become Shastra (24:57) now for you. That idea will start, now residing in you. Whenever you get this kind of Shaastras(25:08), catch it, let it be in your heart, for future. This is the real life insurance. The real life insurance is the Shaastra (25:20)-initiations which you get from the master, not anything else. All other life insurance is death insurance. After your death, your family will get....who are waiting for it. So, that is not real life insurance. Real life insurance is the real initiation.

When Narada says, "Supreme Love of God, is Bhakti", he means, the Supreme Love....See, now all of you have Supreme Love. It's not that you don't have. You have...you have love, for what you think as you. If you think you are the body, you have love for that. You are constantly running behind, you are constantly running...just to create excitement in that five tip-five points-the point where you see, point where you smell, point where you hear, point where you taste and point where you have the pleasure-genital organ-this five point. To create pleasure for that...excitement for that five point you are running around. Because, you think you are the body, you have a Supreme Love for it. If you think you are mind, you are your identity, you will be running behind...for name and fame...award, medal or...work..."Do you know, who am I?"...that visiting card...that foolishness. You will be running behind...for that. Only, when you realize, you are something more than this body and mind...this body and identity-your love towards your Consciousness will start happening. The Supreme Love which you have now, for your body and your identity, will turn, to the Inner Consciousness...will turn towards, the pure inner space, thoughtless space. Anything which turns you towards, that thoughtless space, the liberated feeling-joy, ecstasy-is initiation. Sometime it can happen even from ordinary incidents of the life.

One more important thing, when you sit with a living master....I can give you initiation. Understand. Now I am stepping into a...one more important-key point. If you can just sit straightly. Initiation means, receiving all these strong truths, which will liberate you during suffering or disturbances. This is what we call Shravana-listening, getting initiated. Next thing comes Manana-remembering and using...remembering and using. Remembering and using means you need to have situations, where you'll remember master's initiations and use it. If the ma...you see, if it is only a devotee relationship, devotee means-guys who come here, they use me for their benefit. If it is a devotee relationship, I am here just to enrich them as they want them self. I can give only initiation. I cannot create the situations in which you will remember these words and practice. But if you are a disciple-committed-if I know for sure, you will not run away; I'll create a situations also, where, you have to remember these initiations and practice it. But for that, a deeper level trust is needed between master and disciple. As long as I don't trust, you, means as long as I think there is a possibility, that you will run away, I will never create suffering for you....I'll never create suffering. Only, when I see, you are ready, now, you will stay with me, I'll start create suffering for you..means, where, you have to bring the initiation to consciousness and use this weapon, to get you back to the enlightenment, to get you to the Super-conscious state; because, the situation to use these weapons has to be created.

But, now the society has become such, master is divorce-able. The relationship between you and me...it is no more a commitment. As long as I don't touch your ego, everything goes well, "Ok, now I think this guy can do something to me. Cool, this guy seems to be very funny. I think I can be around him. He can add something to me." But, the moment I put my hand on your puss, your huge tumor, which you carry on your head or heart...the moment I put my hand on that, what will happen? "I think this fellow is too arrogant, this fellow is too arrogant, this fellow is not going to do anything...I think...Aah! These and all is not for me." Then? Those days, the master disciple relationship, is non divorce-able. Not even, in this janma, not even in one janma, even for janmas after janmas, you can't escape. See, the commitment, you see, vedic tradition...during any initiation, you commit in-front of fire. During marriage, you commit, "Till, this fire is inside our body, we will follow these seven vows we are taking-means, till death. But when master-disciple relationship happens, master says, "Even this energy which is residing in this body, leaves this body, this will continue to guide you, till you achieve the same state, in which this body is residing...this being is residing. Understand, it is non divorce-able, even for janmas-for births after births, you can't divorce the master. If the relationship was so deep, then I don't need to send you to Parivrajaka(32:40). I'll create enough situations, where you have to bring all these teachings and use and achieve the Super-Conscious state. Because, the relationship is not so deep, modern society...I don't have anymore words-that is the reason I emphasize you guys do the Parivrajaka (33:07)-wandering-(travel/study) on your own. So that, the life will create situations, where, you can't blame me, you have to use all that initiation which you received from me, to bring you out of the suffering and raise you to Super-conscious state.

All of you are clear? If you have any questions, you see this is a very strong idea-you..even if you understand this one idea, the whole 15 days trip is worthy. You have got, what you need to get. You got more than, the 15 days worthy material. So let us internalize this one idea. I don't want to speak anything more today. Any question you have, on this idea, write it and give me, I'll answer. Because, I don't want any of you, to go without this Prasada (34:03)...without this Prasada (34:05). Prasada (34:06) means offered food, or the food tasted by God or the master-that is called the Prasada (34:13). You see, this is the greatest thing I tasted in my life-Enlightenment. That I am giving you now. Let you not go away, without this Prasada (34:26). So whatever idea...you...now..this...yesterday and today I spoke on this idea in a detailed...very lengthy way. Anything you have not understood, you don't have to bother, just put it in writing and give. Let us churn this one idea. Let us work on this one idea today. Maybe tomorrow I'll go to the next Sutras, come on!

Question: How does the devotee to disciple transformation happens? I am hungry for it.

Swamiji: You already achieved it. The very mood-you are hungry for it-you achieved it. Anybody, who sincerely feels, the devotee disciple transition should happen in me, you have done it. See, I am like a ocean-continuously available. Only, your feeling that you need, is necessary. When you have that, you have done it. So, you don't even have to now worry about, "What should I do?"-No. The very desire, the very feeling, is enough. Now naturally, the problem is...one important thing...the problem is...do not enter into the territory of the disciple without knowing the plus and minus of it. When you enter into the territory of the disciple, one nice thing-guaranteed enlightenment. See for devotees, I am guaranteed solution; for disciples, I am guaranteed enlightenment...guaranteed enlightenment. But, what you are supposed to learn in 200 births, you will learn in 2 years. Means, the intensity of joy, the intensity of suffering-both will be-very strong-you should be ready for it. My very...my one smile will put you in a heaven-it will be so intense, so juicy. Same way, my teaching also will not be round about way-straight away I will tell.

Question: I want to wander on my own after this Yatra. Why are there no women Sadhus? Can women wander to practice this bridge of...bridge to Love of Consciousness?

Swamiji: One thing, why no women Sadhus? Because, enlightenment is easy for women. Falling in tune with the master, is easy for women. Always these guys become enlightened, just by falling in tune with the masters. The male mind only cannot bend and surrender. That is why, they need to go through all this suffering. Female mind means, straight away can bend and surrender-connect, either to living master or to God. Meera never saw Krishna, but she lived with him. The time gap between Meera and Krishna is 8,800 year. Understand, 8,800 year...time gap between Meera and Krishna...but she lived with him, just because she is...she is having that feminine being, the feminine's mind. So that women, the feminine setup...system, does not necessarily need wandering. But now, you guys maybe in the women body, but you are no more women-because of the perverted modern society. You guys have lost that feminine...that womanhood...that falling in tune. Maybe, I'll personally advise, you to develop that falling in tune with the master, than, taking up the, wandering sadhu life. But if you decide, then nobody can stop-that is different. But, because of the...some practical difficulties...practical difficulties-I always tell women not to go for Parivrajaka (38:58).

Question: Does one have to wander the Himalayas to work on the suffering? How about hiking in any wilderness?

Swamiji: Any..hiking in an wilderness is perfectly alright...nothing wrong. It is equal...but Himalayas has got one plus...the energy field. So, even if you don't remember, you will be reminded. See, its answer only for you I am giving; because, I can trust you. You will understand. Here, lot of these enlightened beings without body are wandering around. So, whenever they see you are a sincere person struggling, they will straight-away appear in front of you and take care of you, help you. But in the hiking, it won't be...the..any wilderness...it won't be there. See, I myself, when I fell in the, deep low moods or depression, I had the great opportunity of seeing these...some of the masters...even Mahavatar Babaji...I had the darshan of Mahaavatar Babaji...in Gaurikunj...in Himalayas only. Maybe, in three days we will be going to that place. When we go there, I'll tell you, where I had his darshan. Then I'll tell you where I had darshan. So these guys, these enlightened beings who, who are not in the body, their frequency is available in this area. That's why, I always say Himalayas, but otherwise, there is no agency which is supporting me, which is funding me to promote Himalayas. I am not funded by any agency to promote Himalayas; and fortunately, there is no such agency. That's a beauty..hmm?.

There's a Tamil question. I'll translate into English. First I'll read in Tamil.

Question: XXXX[Tamil Transcription needed (40:43)

Swamiji: She's saying, before she did NSP and BSP (NSP is Nithyananda Spurana Program, BSP is Bhakti Spurana Program)...she says...she can't come out of her depression or suffering. Now, she says, whatever problem comes, I know, suddenly I am come..I am out of the problem. I can face anything. Now I understand how I am able to do this.

Means, so much of initiation has happened, in that four-four eight days...so much of initiation has happened. That is why, it just pop-up, you are programmed to Nithyananda pop-up. That's why you are able to handle.

Understand, Ramakrishna, says beautifully...he was doing some kind of a practices... he's a great tantric...practices with Bhairavi Brahmani...when he was doing that, he was so devoted to Bhairavi Brahmani, he will not disobey a single word. But, when Totapuri came...Totapuri is a Vedanti...enlightened being. When he started practicing under Totapuri, Bhairavi Brahmani said, "Don't go to him". He said, "No forget about it". He never disrespected her, he had her..his love for her, but never bothered to go further. So understand, there is no such thing as a Guru conflict. As far as me concerned, I always tell people, at least for all the people who think I am your Guru, I tell you, wherever you can go and learn, whatever you can, pluck flowers from all garden and make a beautiful garland for you. I am here to enrich you, not to possess you. If you can learn anything anywhere, you are free to do. You have full freedom to go around and learn. One important thing, whoever needs to guide you at whatever time, your heart will simply fall in tune with that person at that time. For example, at one level, you maybe feeling connected to one kind of Acharya; at one level, suddenly you feel connected to a different level master-there is nothing wrong, perfectly alright. Just carry on, your heart is powerful enough, capable enough, to guide you, to the different higher and higher level masters-nothing wrong. So, there is no such thing as guru-disciple...the guru-con...guru-conflict.

Swamiji: I have a story for this guy, who wrote this question. There was a advertisement in the local newspaper, "We need a manager, who can read and write French." One guy applied, "I can write, but I can't read" But the employer got...became very curious, he wanted to see him. He called him for interview and said. "Please write." That guy...taka taka taka take taka taka taka (44:22) wrote and then gave it to the employer...employer. He wrote...he saw and said, "Oh God! You yourself please read and tell. He said, "I told you, I can only write, I can't read...I can't read". So this questioner also, he can only write, I can't read. This joke is dedicated to this questioner.

Question: I am curious to know if I was your disciple in previous janma also.

Swamiji: Arey! just try to be disciple in this janma. If you have been, if you have been my disciple in previous janma also...and still you have not become enlightened, means, you must have been worst idiot. You must have been idiot, eating my head, in my past life. So, better do not wish that you should have been a past...disciple in the last janma. Arey! even in this janma, if you are around me for so many years...for some three-four years and you have not become enlightened means, you are a headache for me. Either, you become part of a solution, or you are the problem. Either you get enlightened, or you will be the problem, for others not to get enlightened. So, I don't know who put the question.

Question: Why does one need to suffer to achieve enlightenment.

Swamiji: No no no no, suffering is not necessary. Suffering is not at all necessary. But your foolish mind, does not reside in the Super-conscious state all the time. So suffering just reminds you, "Aye! Still you have not become enlightened. Go up!"

Question: Can bliss bring about enlightenment?

Swamiji: It can bring about enlightenment. But, you are not so intelligent, to achieve enlightenment through bliss-you are not so intelligent to achieve enlightenment through bliss. That's what, you see, living with the master is, from bliss to bliss. Bliss is the goal and the path. But you are not that matured. Naturally, what will you do? You will bring suffering, that's all..hmm?.

Question: Swamiji, I feel that I am sitting on the fence.

Swamiji: Don't sit on it. If you fall, you will break your head.

Question (continued): I could fall 100% into your heart, or return to my former life. What is keeping me from falling is fear. I project all kinds of reasons. I feel rejected, if you ignore me. I want to fall. Somehow I am looking for encouragement or specific invitation. What to do?

Swamiji: I will never encourage...neither encourage, nor invite you. If you are expecting my invitation, or my courage, means, you want my attention. You will eat my head, even after coming inside. Return to your former life, as early as possible. If you can fall, without asking, special invitation from me, or my attention-you are qualified to fall-fall now. If you ask for special invitation, or some encouragement, just run away, as early as possible. So that I will..I'll feel free...I'll be liberated. I don't want even...even ask who put the question. I don't want to ask.

Question: If we really trust in existence, will existence provide the opportunities to apply the initiations.

Swamiji: It will provide the opportunity. If you really trust existence, then why don't you take up the Himalaya...wandering, why don't you take up the Parivrajakan (48:08) life? It's a very cunning game. See, I trust the existence, but sitting inside my house, inside my air condition, inside my car. These are very funny game. Understand, you are not trusting, you are just playing with the word, cheating yourself, not anybody else.

Question(continued): Will this happen in ordinary life as well, if we don't have opportunities for being in the wilds. Is trusting in existence enough for trusting...existence to trust in us?

Swamiji: Your trust is not so deep. Then naturally, you'll not be trusted. Who put this question? It's very superficial. No I'm not...I don't want you to ask any proposed hypothetical question. Ask straight, your problem. I can answer. Is it your problem?

Huh?..Hmm...

There is no question of how to be, if you trust. No technique. The moment you ask-how to be? you are going to only trust the technique. Not the existence.

Question: Do women do their wandering on their own?

Swamiji: Those days they used to do, not now.

Question: What do you meant by divorcing?

Swamiji: Means, you can...whenever...you see, whenever, you feel you are not given enough attention, or you are disrespected, you will straight away throw the mala away and go away. That's what I call-divorce. Sometime I'm afraid, even to tell the truth as it is. Because you don't know what these guys will...Of course, I don't bother, if you go away also, who cares? But... what to do...these foolish guys are...I just thought...I just feel that, let me not hurt these guys...that's all...when they are not matured....that's all.

Question: How to be committed, in any relationship?

Swamiji: First learn, how to be committed in marriage. Then you will understand how to be committed with guru-disciple relationship. The society which cannot live with the marriage commitment, very difficult for them to understand the guru-disciple relationship commitment. It's very discip...very difficult. The problem is, the same...the problem is the same. The individualistic, perverted...not thinking as a team, or for others...or with a open being....hmm?

Question: If the seeker feels the click with the master, does the master always take on the seeker?

Swamiji: Yes, if you have felt the click already, I am there inside you. Unless I decide to enter inside you, you can't even have the click. The moment you have the click, be very clear, I am inside you. I have decided to go into you.

Question: How does one distinguish, or is there is no difference between life experience and experience you send our way? I welcome hunger for them.

Swamiji: You see, there is no difference between life experience and my experience...the experience, which I send on the way. One thing you can see, anything which is sent by the master, even to handle, you won't have suffering...even to handle will be like a...you'll have the adventurous spirit. That is the scale. You can find, that this is sent by master, not by the life.

There's one more Tamil question. I'll read and then answer.

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Swamiji: You see, he's asking a question-"If you are telling, guru disciple relationship is Janmas after Janmas (births after births)-then why did I waste 30 years and now only came to you? And the moment you said that this relationship is births after births my eyes are filled with water, it's flowing; and my whole being is just excited, intensely filled".

Understand. Means, you are my disciple, you are searching for Janmas after Janmas. This 30 years you are made to wait because I'm only 30. It is just a practical problem, not any spiritual problem.

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Question: When you say that you create suffering for one you trust as your disciple, do you mean that suffering is necessary for spiritual evolution?

Swamiji: See, when I say the word suffering, I don't mean that ordinary suffering, hmm? I mean I'll create situations where you need to use, the initiations, which you may call it as suffering or you may call it as adventure. These Himalayas-because you came voluntarily, it is an adventure; if you are forced to be here, it may be suffering for you. If you have taken up voluntarily, it is an adventure; otherwise suffering hmm?

Question: What kind of suffering?

Swamiji: If you ask and all I won't tell. Because whatever you know, will never be a suffering. Anything which is unknown to you only will be a suffering.

Question: And why is that so with humans and human nature?

Swamiji: That I don't know, only you have to find out. Who Dhyaanavati...Understood? Huh? Okay.

Oh more questions.

Question: You said it so well Swamiji.

Swamiji: Thanks you for your compliment.

Question: I learnt some from one Swamiji and you are my other master, who taught me at a higher level. You both are my two eyes.

Swamiji: Wonderful! Hmm? That's nice. Never have conflict. Never have Guru Conflict. Without Guru conflict if you live, that's enough. Both of us will enrich you. If you have Guru Conflict, both of us will not be able to enrich you. So, just live without Guru Conflict, both of us will add you, whatever you need to learn and whatever you need to be added to you. The truth is you need...you becoming more and more blissful-that's all. That is the final result.

Question: For those who want to become your disciple at very young age, why may not have much chance to go through suffering?

Swamiji: Who said they may not have much chance to go through suffering?

Question: How they can experience Supreme Consciousness...Super-Consciousness.

Swamiji: Who put the question? Haan..okay. Come and try to live around me in my ashram, then you'll understand. Huh? No no no no no....I create enough situations for them.

Question: The only thoughts I mostly have left, are all your teachings, correcting my mind, like you are talking in my head. I feel stuck at this level. After I am corrected, then what to do? How to move past this point?

Swamiji: Don't bother, this very initiation is so powerful, it will burn all other sufferings and it'll burn itself. See, initiation is such...in Bharat they will burn the dead bodies, they will use a bamboo stick to burn the body and finally they will throw that bamboo also in the same fire. Initiation is like that, it'll be used to burn all your sufferings, finally that...that initiation itself will be burnt in that same fire. So you don't have to worry about, how to go beyond.

Question: Will the disciple come to know that his suffering is created by his master, and hence take it as a Prasadam.

Swamiji: Yes, he will come to know very clearly. That's what, it will be like an adventure.

Question: Swami, after the disciple gets enlightened, does the guru-disciple relationship continues?

Swamiji: It continues...much more deeper way, in a much more beautiful way...much more blissful way. It's no more a two different thing-it is just a feeling connected...it is just feeling connected...very deep feeling. Want to ask, ask my enlightened disciples. I have enlightened disciples. Do not think, that I am only talking. I have done my job-I have enlightened disciples. Naturally I won't tell the name. Just go around...go and live around my close disciples. If you live and be around them, you will smell...you will smell, who is enlightened and you will learn from them; and you can ask them, how their relationship with me is. Somebody, asked me the other day, "Have you given enlightenment to any of your disciples?" I did not feel that fellow is worthy enough of receiving the answer. That's why I just avoided and went away. Now I answer you guys, yes, I have done my job. So, if you want, go around and live near my close disciples. And they are also given a strong, clear instruction, they won't declare. They will never tell by words, but they can just radiate the presence, my presence. You will see that, you experience that. Through that experience...when you smell them, then they may open and share, what happened inside them, their before Nithyananda and after Nithyananda....AN- BN...BN-AN they will share.

Question: When you first entered in the Delhi gathering, automatically I started crying and then no words came out. Is it one kind of Bhakti?

Swamiji: Yes, Ramakrishna says, whenever...if your eyes are filled, if you are overflowing, when you see or remember God or Guru's name, this is last birth for you. So, that's also, surely a kind of a Bhakti. But the fools think, that this is too much emotional and that is not the true Bhakti. Understand, fools are those who can't be filled by the master's presence or the divine presence. If you are filled, overflowing-only one thing-keep away from the idiot intellectuals-keep yourself safe from the so called intellectuals who will advice you. Just escape from them, whenever you see them- understand, you are seeing Rakshasas, and run away.

That's all. Any other questions? See, like this I'll...I'll take up one idea; we will churn on that idea, so that everybody has internalized that one thing, before, we go to the next step. Thank you. Be blissful.

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