“Mahabharata.”
Mahabharata. See, such a beautiful story, it is such a wonderful story. Actually I want to tell you this in one hour or two hour because I can tell that all you guys know the Mahabharata story. neh. Anybody who doesn’t know the story, basic story of the war? Great war. I think all of you know the story. You know the story, Ma? Don’t know, oh God. If you know the story then I can just un, un open the mystery, step by step. It’s too big story to tell the story itself.
All right, just forget it, eh. Later on you read this story then see the VCD. Maybe then only: unless you know the story I can’t unravel the mystery, open the mystery step by step. See the number 80 is a very mystical number, very mystical. You cannot count more than 8. You cannot count to more than 8 with your logic. Understand, let me, now give you the period numbers counting. The more the numbers you guys have started the counting, the deeper the vengeance of the logic which cuts, as developed in your system.
(2.10)
In a Satya Yoga people are able to count only up to 3. And then come the, comes the Thrida (2.24) Yoga, people are able to count only up to 7. Then comes Draupada, People are able to come up to 8. When people start counting till 9. (Don’t understand?) Because the counting means the logic able to move step by step. If your thought can flow, if your 8 thought can flow towards outer world, withouthaving any break, you are materialist. Understand, 8 thoughts without you being reminded about going introvert, you are materialist. You will be in depression. You will be in depression. Eight thought without having a self-recovery, self healing thoughts, reminding your nature is a help. Whenever your 10 senses are added to these 8 thought you are in depression. You are in difficulty. These fellows are sleeping. That is why I told, these are a strong subtle science. It is a very beautiful thing if you guys understand. See. as long as you don’t add depression to your hardware, 10 senses you don’t have 5 senses, you have 10 senses.
Please understand you have 10 senses Jnanadrnya (4.02) Kavendrya. Jnanadrnya Kavendrya. Your tongue when it does talking is the Kavendrya (4.23). When it does the tasting is Jnanadrnya. Input 5 and actions 5, Dasa Indrya. When your, the 10 Indryas added to the mind which can count 8, you are in depression. Either you should not be able to count 8 or 10 indryas should not be active. . If both the 10 indryas are not active in some of the animal things. They have said, if your 10 Indryas are active and you can count 8 means your are, depressed being. That’s why number 18 plays a very major role. To get enlightened you have you to break from this 18.
(5.09)
See, when your mind which can count 8, which can continuously go for 8 thoughts, extrovert, Touches the eyes, it creates so much of millions of thought related to the eyes. When it touches your nose, creates millions of thought based on the nose. When it touches the tongue, create millions of thoughts related to tongue. How?, right, yes, come. And I am talking what you are asking this morning, the Mahabharata War, You come at the right time. (Laughter).
Eighteen crores soldiers means eighteen crores thoughts. Eighteen cores thought, always the thoughts will be more, the more number of thoughts will be depression-orientated. That is why 11 crores joined the negative sena and 8 crores are only self-healing thoughts. self-recovery thoughts.
(6.29)
You see, let me give you the description of destruction and self-healing thoughts. You get the message, somebody has entered into your, your home and all the money have been taken away. Now this is destruction. The moment you hear the news, Oh God, what will happen to me? Everything is lost, nothing is there, all kinds of depression thoughts, this is depression thoughts. The thought trend which starts. Self- healing thoughts means, even if I had what is there: Even if I have 10 times more, what is there, I am going to live one day and die. (Sanskrit). (7.02(
Understand the person who has renounced he enjoys everything. These thoughts are self-healing thoughts. You should have had some click with these self-healing thoughts, either by listening it from a master or you yourself contemplating and experiencing it. The thoughts which you heard from a living master and had click, got initiated, got a click, yes, what he said is right or you yourself contemplated and got initiated, got self-illumined, Had the awakening of the kundalini. Yes, right. Those thoughts are called self-healing thoughts.
(7.54)
The self-healing thoughts are 8 crores. Destructive thoughts are 11 crores. The 5 stars. Understand. Arjuna is an individual consciousness who is suffering within this and that. Your laziness to fight with the negative thoughts only comes as a tamas. No, no what is the need to fight with all these negative thoughts. It’s ok. Let them rule. Your body is the land, your body is the land, your body is the land for which these 11 crores and 8 crores are fighting. Understand, hundred brothers, hundred brothers means cloning up one main thought. It is a cloning, first cloning happened on planet earth. It’s the gauravas. First cloning happening on planet earth, gauravas.
Who are pandawas? The sons of the nature, immaculate conception. Sons of the nature. Who are the pandawas? Five. See one from Yama, one from, er, Indra, and the one from the Bhima one, oh, from whom? Vayu and then one from the 2. Actually Nagula and Saradewas from Asurimukthas.(9.44) Asurimukthas, Asrigumaras. Nagula and Saradewa, hmm, and all these guys are sons of nature. Sons of nature. They are these side, all the sons of nature will be always self-healing thoughts. And alll these cloning of negative thoughts, will be always depression, destruction.
(10.10)
Possessiveness is the Duryodana. The energy which fans the possessiveness and exploits is Saguni. Cunningness is Suguni. And all these fellows are gathering together with with the help of 11 crores self-destructive thoughts. The problem is whenever Arjuna, the individual consciousness thinks, God, I have done so much of sins, I have so many negative thoughts, when I am going to finish them and conquer, you are in depression. That time only you need an enlightened master, Krishna.
To tell you, don’t bother, they don’t have life because they are unclutched. Understand, all your negative thoughts do not have power over you because you are unclutched. That is the truth you need to learn. That is the essence of Gita, If you have done Nithyanandam, and know Mahabhrata story now you can understand completely, the whole scene, you can understand. One side 11 crores post.., negative thoughts, naturally, an individual consciousness when it sees 11 crores negative thoughts, what do you think? How can I became enlightened? When can I get all these guys out of me? (11.43) And what is the need? After all I am ghrihi, am a house-holder it’s ok. Let it be there, as it is. I have responsibilities, I have duties, Why should I kill all these thoughts? I have responsibilities, I can leave this guy, I can’t leave that guy. And you were, you were not having courage, your cowardness, you will blame as your commitments to your parents, or family. See the real commitment will never have any contradiction or conflict.
(12.33)
But whenever master says, if you say you have a commitment be very clear it is your tamas that you are justifying. Purely it is your tamas you are justifying. You are just exactly in the place of Arjuna when he was in depression before the war. That is why is called Arjuna Visharda Yoga (12.51). Arjuna Visharda Yoga. The arrows which Arjuna had, every arrow is trying to unclutch. Your, once you have put, unclutched he has pulled one more arrow. One fellow is gone. Once more he unclutched, he has pulled one arrow. When you are depressed and you said no.no, this is not possible, why should I kill? Your cowardness justified by you, as your compassion. Your cowardness expressed by you as your compassion. You fall into depression. and confusion. That is the time a real master who will appear and tell you, nice, no, you have to finish. And understand one more thing, why are the Bhisma, Drona and they in the negative side? This is the important thing.
Sometime just because there have been empowered, surrounded by negative thoughts. Even some of your self-healing thoughts can become negative to support the negative thoughts. Let us give us an example then you will understand. I think this example will hurt your guys, somebody, it’s ok.
(14.31)
If you are caught by some technique which has helped you to grow certain extend, even though it is not helping you to grow anymore further, those thoughts are Bhisma and Drodha, For example, you are with some guru, or you guys are with some technique, or some system of belief, after sometime you understand it is not helping you to grow further. But, just because it did something good to you, you are stuck with it. Those thoughts are only Bhisma, Droha, They are equally dangerous like Duryodhana, Dushasana. Understand, they are equally dangerous like Duryodhana, Dushasana. That’s what is what Bhisma, Drona and Karna. All these guys, all these guys are also that only.
Why Drona? Who is Drona who you taught the archery, means initial level guru who have given you inspiration. But when you see the sadhguru, even he is your enemy. When you see your sadguru, even if he is your enemy. He is also equally dangerous like Saguni and what. The Duryodhana.
(!6.06)
Who is Karna? Karna, the attitude of charity. There are people who are caught in the wealth making machine wealth making system just to do charity. That is also equally negative thoughts. Understand, I know many people, no, no, no, I’ll make money and do charity. You have have caught, you can never become enlightened. You can become a Karna, you can become Karna, but does not mean you become enlightened, no, maybe at the last moment, if enlight, if you have given something to an enlightened master itself, like, er, how we have handled everything to Krishna, there is a possibility. Now I promoted my game. Giving money to master will give you enlightenment. That is what Krishna says, that is what the story says. Means what? He takes away all the things. You see, understand, Krishna did not became rich by taking things from Karna. Can we say Krishna became rich? So master accepting something from you is not for him, er, to became rich. To liberate something from you in which you are caught. Because Krishna, Karna was not able to die, because the Devadewatta was not allowing him to die, the punya which he did sat there. So, er, Krishna was not able to liberate Karna. So he appeared and say, what do you er, give me all your punyas, He just gave all his punyas, and got liberated. That very moment, that very moment he became enlightened. That’s why we say Karna Moksha, not Karna Vatta. Karna Moksha. Kamsa Vatta, Kamsa Vatta, but for Karna, Karna Moksha. It’s never Karna Vatta.
And who is Drona, Drona is the guy who taught you. Who taught you logic, Who taught you this spiritual enquiry? After sometime he himself, maybe obstruction. He is also equally dangerous.
(18.30)
Who is Bhisma, embodiment of your parents and elders. Past conditioning. He comes with a big, first when you are, the moment you unclutched, the first guy , he will come up, who? Your conditions. Bhisma Vedamaka (18.50). Bhisma will stand up in front of you. That’s why Krishna came to the mob first. with his big fresh 11 crore sena, 11 crores thoughts. The parental conditioning. and the conditioning from the young age, your society whatever you respect is Bhisma.
Then after that who gave you spiritual ,er, fire in the initial level. who has encouraging you to raise to one or two frequency level. He will come, Drona. After that will come your charitable attitude, Karna. After that your very ego will come and stand, Duryodhana. After that he will stay. That is the way the whole Mahabharata reveals. That is the way the whole Mahabharata opens up.
(19.53)
Understand, your negative thoughts will never oppose you, come and stand in front of you, without any positive front. If cannot justify itself. Eleven crores depressing thoughts will not attack you without Bhisma or Drona or Karna. Beware of Bhisma, Drona and Karna, you are enlightened. If you are hypnotised, or if you lose your confidence, seeing Bhisma, Drona and Karna, you are lost, gone. You are Arjuna, gone. Now, Arjuna’s assistants, just see, who are Arjuna’s assistants? Dharma means morality. Even when you are doing the unclutching, have Dharma as the base. Just because you are unclutching, don’t start just straight away, womanising. Don’t start straight away, after all I am unclutched. Let me start using threats. Let me start doing this, no. That is not going to work. Dharma is supposed to be base.
Next assistant, who? Bhima. courage, strength to unclutch. Whatever happens, I am going to unclutch. I may have knee pain, I may have back pain. I may have this pain, I may have that pain, I will unclutch. That encourage is the Bhima. Who are these Nagula, Sahadeva? See ,the whole Mahabharata has only 3 enlightened beings. Krishna, Balarama Sahadeva. Krishna, Balarama, Sahadeva.
(21.53)
Sahadeva is the guy who gives you the, the tips from the enlightened masters. Tips from enlightened masters is Sahabeva. Means reading this different biographies and books of enlightened masters. That is Sahadeva. Sahadeva is the embodiment of knowledge, embodiment of knowledge.
Nagula is an embodiment of science of keeping your body till you became enlightened, means need for little maintenance of your health through yoga, through some techniques till you became enlightened is Nagula. These are the guys who need, you need as assistants.
(22.38)
Of course, above all, the person who is sitting in your chariot and driving you, Krishna. Antrayame, enlightened master. Now, when you start the yukta, First, you start you see 11 million standing in front of you. And you see all the great, your conditioning. Your parents are standing in front of you. Your elders are standing in front of you who have teaching you from day one what you should and what you should not do. And, next who is standing? The guy who gave you spiritual inspiration. He is standing. Third, all your charitable attitudes. They are standing. What do you do now? Saguni, er, the Duryodhana, all you fellows are hiding behind. Understand, all the fellows are hiding behind. They are not in the front. And, now starts the yukta. The moment you see the whole thing, oh God, 11 mill.., 11 crore, what will I do? You will tell Krishna, I don’t need, no, no. no. You tell whatever you want. I am going, no, no, no, no. I am disappearing. Even if I beg and eat, it’s ok. I don’t want to be in all these drama, no. But Krishna says, Fool, whether you kill the, whether you kill these 11 crores thoughts or not, they don’t have life. They are dead. That’s what Krishna says, whether you kill them or not, they are dead already. You just take your arrow and act as if you are killing. You just unclutched a few times, they are not there. It is your fear which is giving power to the 11 crore people. It is your fear that is giving power to the 11 crore people. These fools never bother to look at the 8 crore people who standing behind him. Self-healing thoughts. Never bother to see that, that’s what I always tell people. You clutch only the positive and see. clutch the negative and see, You never clutch the positive and see. You never clutch the positivity and see. That is the first step.
Finally, after all the teachings. Even then, when you are not convinced, then master gives you energy darshan and gives you darshan and experience. Alright, Fool, you are not understanding all the intellectual things. Now, please see, who is talking to you, all those things. Then you can get shaken. Oh God! Then you see Master is the embodiment of all the negative and positive and beyond everything. Beyond everything, Visvarupa. You get the courage, yes, After all, I will not be lost. You get the courage and take your Kandiba, understand, that is another important word.
The word Kandiva, which means cannot be taken away. Understand, Kandiba means in Sanskrit which cannot be taken away. The unclutching is the technique which can never be taken away from you. Any mantra can be taken away from you. Unclutching can never be taken away, because it is your very nature. It is your nature. All you need to do is unclutch, unclutch and unclutch. Suddenly you will see in 10 days, Bhisma dies. Means all your conditionings disappears.
(26.36)
The parental conditions disappear and few crores of thoughts have disappear and parental conditionings disappearing is something like a big success. Now understand, parental conditioning will never die because of the language which you learn. will never die till you leave the body. That’s why Bhisma never dead, he is lying there in a corner. He can’t be active, that’s all. Understand, he can’t be active. He is no more. He will not attack you anymore, but he will be there in one corner. He will be there in one corner. That is the Bhisma. So all the things he was attacking you from your parental conditioning will lose its power and will lying in one corner. He will be lying in one corner till you leave this body, the inner chattering, or genetical development, genetical structure of your parents will be there on you. That is what the body lying down. but It will not have the negative qualities which you are having now.
Beautiful story. I’ll end up with this story. I will end up with this story. Maybe I ,er, I will continue with the Mahabharata later on. Because a few of you guys are sleepy.
(28.04)
Hmm..er, Mahabharata war is over, and er, Bhisma is lying on the, on the arrow bed. Bed of arrows. And all the Dharma Raja ,and [Dhritarashtra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhritarashtra) and Arjuna and everybody is going there.to ask for blessings to get coronated; and Bhisma gave a beautiful teaching lying on the arrow bed, how to rule the country. Then, Draupadi was not willing to bear. She comes out and tells. Father, why don’t you keep quiet. I feel so dirty to listen your words. You talk all these tall things, but what happened to you? When my clothes was pulled, when I was abused in public stage, what happened to your dharma? Come on, answer me. Bhisma says, that time I was not able to talk. I did not not have any intelligence because I ate the food of Duryodhana. Astraya dosha. Understand, whoever face you, their quality will be on your head. Blessed are those who work under enlightened master. Blessed are those for whom boss is also master. Whoever face you, their quality will be on you, and your head. Whether you believe nor not, unconsciously you will be imbibing their quality. You will be imbibing their quality. And beautifully Bhisma says, I ate his food, astraya dosha. So, my intelligence never worked. So if your parental conditioning is being enriched by your depressing thoughts or is bringing more and more depressing thoughts means, and you are eating astrydosa food. Your intelligence will not work when you have a problem. When you have a problem, then, Bhisma says now because of the Arjuna’s arrows, because of constantly individual consciousness is unclutched, I lost all the blood. The Astrayadosa blood has gone. if you consciously unclutch from your parental conditioning, the er, the thoughts which are enriching your parental conditioning will leave you. You will see dharma comes out of your own parental conditioning.
Your parental conditioning can put you in depression. If you are enriched by negative thoughts constantly, if constantly you use unclutching, the same parental conditioning can help you to maintain your dharma. Teach you dharma. That is what the story of Bhisma. Bhisma is the parental conditioning. And he says, all the negative blood has left my body, that means now I am able to tell you what to do and what not to do. Parental conditioning will fall, will loose its negativity and it will be there only to guide you, and help you by tenth day of unclutching. Continuously unclutched. Then, will appear your, all the shorda, shorda spiritual and, er and er spiritual knowledge and logic which you have, The intellectual stuff about spirituality which have not become enlightenment but which is stopping you to surrendering to enlightened spiritual master. You are there only. You are caught with Drona. The guys is, who have some spiritual reading, spiritual knowledge but now the same knowledge is standing in front of you. You are not willing to surrender to the living master. You are there, that is what is Drona. Your own acharya is standing in front of you. What will you do. Let’s see tomorrow.
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