“True knowledge is coming out, it is giving us a scale, it is teaching…”
True knowledge is coming out, it is giving us a scale, it is teaching us what is Satya and how to find out whether something is truth or not. One more thing, even Patajali - a greatest scientist of the inner world says Apta Pramana - the words of enlightened beings can be accepted as the truth. So, that can be considered as a scale, if an enlightened being says you can take it for granted - it is truth. But, Mahadeva says no! He doesn’t even want to say that anything told by an enlightened being is truth. No! Because, who knows whether somebody is enlightened or not. God doesn’t give certificates. What to do? We don’t have a certificate. So Mahadeva goes a step further. He is not accepting Apta Pramana. He is not accepting Vedas are ultimate truth. No! Apta Pramana is not accepted. In Buddhism and Jainism both religions Apta Prmana is not accepted. Apta Pramana is (---- 1:41-1:42) by some enlightened ones. No. They said everything should be scrutinized.
There is no such thing as Apta Prama. There is no such thing as words of the enlightened beings. Everything has to stand. Everything has to be analyzed. He has given beautiful teachings to find out what is truth and which is true knowledge. One more thing, please understand, this true knowledge - this is like a touch stone. If you use the Sutras and analyze all your decisions which runs your life, all your ideas which is base for your life, you will achieve Satya. Lao tzu says - if you are established in truth you don’t have to do any spiritual practice. If you understand this one sutra and redefine all your decisions, ideas, concepts about your life, you don’t need to practice any spiritual discipline. You are enlightened this moment. All you need to do is redefine all your ideas.
See there are only few pillars on which your life is standing, your life is established. Your desires, your idea about yourself, means positioning yourself. How you position yourself in the inner world. Understand, I am not talking about how you position yourself in the outer world. That all of you know it is not worthy. Not even it is pure lie, all of you know whatever you may talk about yourself to others but you don’t believe that. You may make others believe, (Laugh) you really don’t believe. Just look inside. You can laugh at yourself (laugh). I always tell people really, when you sit alone and start thinking what all you project as you - actually, if you really believe what all you project as you, by now you would have become enlightened. Because Ramakrishna says (----- 4:19-4:21) means the mind and the words, if you make it as one, you are enlightened.
Actually, whatever you speak about you, start believing that in a strong way, is also a spiritual practice. Whatever you are talking about you - I am this, I am that, you don’t know me - all those things you start believing. But the difficulty is you won’t believe, that is the problem. When you try to believe also, your mind will tell ehhh.. You can talk all these things to others - not to me. People come to me, many times i have seen they come to me and they, they just want to throw their weight to impress me and they come and tell me - you know - I am this, I am doing that, I do so many philanthropic activities, I do this, I do that, I have so much wealth and I give so much and all those things. At the end of the conversation I ask them only one thing - Sir, do you really believe now whatever you said. They say - what? What?what? Yes, we do believe, that’s why we are talking to you. I tell them to do this only one thing as a spiritual practice. Go Back, now whatever you told me write it down, again and again help yourself to believe that. That's enough. Either you should tune your mind to your ‘Vak’ or you should tune your ‘Vak’ to your mind. Either you should tune your words to your mind or tune your mind to your words.
(--6:5 -6)
All Ramakrishna says is - let your word or mind be tuned. You can do anything. Either talk only what you believe as you or believe what you talk as you, what you talk about you. Then, you won’t have puss, you won’t have cancer. The gap between the words and what you believe - that space is what I call cancer or depression. If you are carrying a depression in you, be very clear you have that gap between your words and your being, between your words and what you believe. If you can remove that gap, you will not have the tumor which I call depression. See, any person who does not have depression is enlightened. If you are not enlightened, be very clear - you carry depression. The gap between your word and what you believe as you. The other day, one of our devotees, he was telling me - another one devotee who saw this latest movie ‘Secret’ movie, he came and told him - I became enlightened from today! (laugh) And the guy who was talking to him, he is a strong intellectual guy, he took him to task, within 10 minutes he lost his enlightenment. He was trying to convince himself for years or months that he is enlightened. This fellow took away his enlightenment in 10 minutes. He is only telling others he is enlightened, he himself is not able to believe, because anybody can come and talk to you and in 10 minutes you lose your enlightenment. Then what kind of enlightenment - either you should have courage to really believe what you are talking or talk only what you believe. (8:23)
See one thing, important thing, listen - important truth which you should know, sometime you may radiate enlightenment without even knowing the word enlightenment. I have seen in Himalayas, There was a great Mahatma, one Naga Baba. Naga Baba means doesn’t wear clothes . I had the fortune to be at his feet for six months. I was blessed, fortunate enough to be at his feet. He will always be smoking ‘ganja’. You call it Marijuna hanh? You may think that how can (Laughs) person who is smoking ganja be enlightened? That is what I also thought. When I went to serve him, you see - traditionally you are supposed to serve elderly sadhus to achieve enlightenment. So, before my enlightenment I was serving. Wherever I see some elderly sadhu, I will go and sit at his feet, I will give them whatever food I can collect and give, beg and give and wash their vessels and whatever little help, small help I could do I used to do. One thing, I was surprised - I have never seen him eating, no food and no water. Except ganja nothing else. I was shocked! But, such a pleasing person. Ummm.. I don’t have any words. When you go and sit around him, he will feel so beautiful and you feel like sitting around him because he is so innocent. He is not even aware he was innocent. He was not even aware he was innocent. I have never seen him wearing any clothes. He is an Avaduta - Naga, no clothes. And he is not even bothered, he is not bothered about anything around the world, anything which is happening around him in the world. He is just in a high state of samadhi.
One day I asked him - Baba, you are such a great person, why are you smoking ganja? And, don’t you think it is an immoral thing? And people will start smoking seeing you and already they are doing. They want only some reference (Bhagvan laughs). They want only some reference and especially a person with reverence, if he becomes a reference then you can do anything. I asked him. He said that, beautiful words - fool, you think that a big elephant can be tied inside a small hut? I can’t live inside the body without any desire. So I have to just dull myself. Understand, when he said, I saw the authenticity. One more guy came and spoke to me. He said, Swamiji, I am also smoking to put me inside the body. I told him, do whatever that Naga Baba is doing then do this also. He doesn’t wear clothes, he doesn’t eat, he doesn’t drink - you also do all those things, then do these things - then you can justify. You can’t just do whatever you want unless it becomes your experience.
One important thing I saw in him, when he was telling that “I have to dull myself”- it was an authentic truth. His mind and his words were in one line. Not only that when you live around him, you realize, he is established in Satya. He is established in truth. Not for any vested interest. See, if somebody doesn’t eat or smoke, if somebody doesn’t eat or drink, they would have made a big business out of that power. But I had never seen him making a big fuss about it. People asked him - why you don’t eat Baba? He said, aaaah.. Who will get up and go and cook and eat! Forget about it. He will not even show that it is a big power. You won’t even see that ego. He lives without food and water. No! When you are really established in truth, you will not be aware of your own powers. You will only radiate but you will not know those words. I asked him - what is AtmaJnana? He does not even know that word, but he is Atma Jnani. What to do. He is radiating Atma Jnana, He is radiating enlightenment but he doesn’t know the word. Ane, he said I am fortunate I did not learn about Brahman. I achieved Brahman Jnana because I did not learn those words.
Same way Raman Maharshi. When people asked him - what is the Brahma Jnana? What is the Atma Jnana? He said - I am fortunate I did not learn those words before my enlightenment. Because, learning some words may postpone your enlightenment. Sometimes, learning too many words will postpone your enlightenment. I always tell people never to read any book which is written by an unenlightened person. Don’t read anything which is written by an unenlightened person. No, because you may create words which will stop your enlightenment. You will create a negative software which is not supporting the enlightenment process. Enlightened person’s words will create a positive software in you which is constantly inspiring you towards enlightenment. So, in the end, all enlightened masters will be pushing you towards ‘Sadhana’, towards enlightenment.
One of Ramakrishna's disciples - his name is Brahmananda, he says - if you read Ramakrishna’s words, there is a beautiful book called - Kathamrita, it's a Ramakrishna Kathamrita. We call in English ‘Gospel of Ramakrishna’. He says if you read the book every day for one year, I will assure, you will have the darshan of the ultimate. You will experience enlightenment. You will be shocked, how can a person assure, how can a person say that enlightenment in one year guaranteed! I tell you, when you read these masters words again and again, when you listen to these great masters words again and again, you create a new software, you create a new mental setup which reminds you the ultimate truth again and again. Which inspires you towards a higher ideal again and again. Everyday you are again put on the track. You are again inspired to run. You are again given the enthusiasm to take up the journey. It is like an everyday inspiration and it creates a new mental setup.
It is true when you read or listen to the master’s words for one year - one year is too much time. One year is enough to create a mental set up which will radiate enlightenment. It is like a, you see - there is a light, in every one of you that light is there. In front of that light if there is a wall, that light can’t shine. If there is a glass, that light can penetrate and it can shine. Putting glass instead of wall is reading enlightened beings words. As of now you have a big wall in front of your light - that ‘Swayam Prakash Jayoti - The Self Effulging Light which is inside your being. You put a big wall, that wall is your mind. If you just put a glass instead of that wall, the glass means the mental setup which can allow that light to express itself. The mental setup which does not block or stop that light expressing itself. You will see that enlightenment is radiating through your senses, it is radiating through your being. See, I can’t even say enlightenment needs to be achieved, no, your senses are supposed to be purified so that that light can penetrate and express through it , that is all! All of you are having it. No doubt about it. All you need to do is purify your body and mind so that you can allow that to express through it. So that it can radiate. Nothing else needs to be done. The purifying mechanism or the alchemy process, you can't even call it mechanism - alchemy process - this is what I call flooding yourself with this truth - Satya. Vivekananda says - flood your whole being with the truth. Whatever can be washed away let it be washed away. The earlier they are washed away better for you and the people who are around you.
(19:05 END)
Details
The talk
- Date
- 8 March 2007
- Language
- English
The recording
- Recording
- No recording linked to this transcript
The transcript
- Status
- Live notes
- Time-synced
- Yes — 7 marks
- Length
- 2,343 words · 13 min read
- Topics
- None recorded