“Topic is conquer pain thru understanding.”
Topic is conquer pain thru understanding. Understanding about pain and cause of pain is the only way of conquering pain. Conquering means to have or not to have, create or not to create, to inflict or not to inflict on somebody. If you master all these 6 dimension only then it is called as conquering. Otherwise it cant be called as conquering. Conquer pain through Understanding. Sometime, you may master only one part. Means, you will not have it. You will be master of you not having it. But that is not sufficient to live in the world. I have mastered that I will nto have it. I have not mastered when to inflict on whom. But since I mastered that I will not have I am not affected. Mastering is different from conquering. …
Patanjali gives a powerful idea and technique. To conquer the pain.
Lets enter into the sutra.
15th sutra – 2nd chapter
Parinaama Tapa samskara dukhaihi guna vrutti virodhath cha dukham eva sarvam vivekinaha
Satchit : to one of discrimination, everything is painful indeed due to its consequences, the anxiety and fear over losing what is gained… and the constant conflict among the 3 gunas which control the mind, everything leads to pain.
Vivekan: to the discriminating viveki, all is as it where painful becos everything brings pain either as consequence or of anticipation oflaws of happiness or of fresh craving arising out of happiness and also becos of gunas contradicting one another
Pranava: …since we already fear its loss. Past pleasure is painful becos renewed cravings arise for impression …..for these moods are constantly changing as one or the other as ever waring of gunas…
Patanjali says everything is painful for an intelligent person. Why? If you have a painful exp, fear it will come again, so it is pain. Even if you have a pleasure exp, fear that you may lose it, or craving you may need it again & again creates pain. Apart from that, all these 3 gunas are constantly fighting. Patanjali almost gives you a powerful method of stopping your mind. He is not saying get depressed. No.
All he is saying is stop the hope. Be hopeless the only way to hope. Be hopeless that is the ultimate that can happen in you. Always all hopes lead u to hopelessness. Becos by nature, hope leads you to hopelessness. No other way. Very powerful. Evertything bringspain – Vivekananda says as consequence or anticipation of loss of happiness. Pain is pain. Even if you have joy, fear of losing or craving to have it more & more it will bring pain. If you have pain, it is pain. If you have pleasure, either fear or craving is pain. If nothing happens also, these 3 gunas sitting inside will be fighting with each other. That is also pain. Then what to do? Pain is pain becos it creates fear of having more pain, greed to quickly get rid of it. Pleasure also brings greed of m ore or fear of losing it, this also brings pain. Whether it is pain, pleasure both bring pain. Even if you don’t have these, the gunas which fight inside will bring pain! Then what to do? I tell you, the ultimate life is when you are just hopeless. Completely hopeless. Stay always in bottom, then nobody can push you!
When I was studying in polytechnic, the last bench students few of them (in all schools, colleges you will have these tall, well built guys last benches) always all college/school windows will be made of glass so that it can be broken. They will break the glass when they are not happy with anything. Always principal will be on 1st floor. One day some fight in my college between sr jr. these fellows threw some stones. Principal came down and they are shouting ‘principal down down’ he is already down. Where else can he go now? You may think, what is going on? Constantly, you are being told be positive, be positive, are you being able to? I tell you then atleast be negative.
I tell you an important secret. The secret why I was not affected during this scandal is not because I am positive. I was just hopeless through out. Just be hopeless nothing else. What to do? Even if for eternity you are going to sit in this cell with Bhaktananda what to do? I was simply hopeless. There was no suffering. Do not cling to life because life is suffering. That is what Buddha means when he says life is suffering.
The 1st step to start spiritual journey is be hopeless. Everything will create joy in you. Everything started creating joy in me, I was just hopeless. I have air to breathe, I have food to eat, everything can bring you joy when you are hopeless. Be down, nobody can pull you down.
The positive thinking people can never be happy. I can assure you. If you are this, you are the most depressed. Why do you worry about depression? Why should you not be depressed tell me? By nature you are depressed. So why should you so much fight with depression. It is almost like outside you have certain wealth and furniture, inside also same, you feel depressed. Atleast outside you will adjust, but inside you cannot adjust. Becos you think being out of depression is your birth right. Birth itself is not your right.
Understand, why you don’t suffer Bill Gates you know? Because you know it is hard. You know you cant. But with me, you think if he can, why not me? Why don’t you ask this same question to bill gates and other guys. Here with spiritual science, you take things for granted. You think by positive thinking, in 2 days, you will not have this mind, body, you will become an angel, float down and fly to office? What do you think? Just be hopeless. Simply. Man by nature is hopeless. Then there is a possibility for hope. I am telling you – You as YOU has no hope. Just dump yourself! In any garbage can nearest to you, dump yourself as quickly as possible. Maybe after you dump yourself, maybe some new seed can sprout. But don’t dump you with that idea. When you dump you do it with just “nibbana” “extinction” Buddha did a great service to humanity by giving a negative connotation to the ultimate state of existence (unlike shankara – poornatva, becos he was a beggar)
Buddha is a king, so he spoke about shoonya, nirvana – extinction.
The moment you say poorna – you will think, you are full, overflowing, all auspicious qualities are fannng you, you can go on fantacizing and cheating yourself. Your mind can exist.
Shankara is responsible for all superstitions gathered in Hinduism. He gave one twist to poorna and all these lokas have happened now. And you imagine yes wow, I will be like god. All people will be fanning me. I will be filled with poorna and all auspicious qualities. The moment the possibility of fantasy is allowed, you are caught.
All travelers cheque you have encashed in name of punya, is useless. It will not work. One so called religious leader had one disciple. So this fellow was trying all kinds of suppression on him. As I said y’day the Rahu based celibacy. The celibacy decision should be taken during a moment when neither when you body is filled or completely drained of harmones. The decision of celibacy can never be taken when your body is full of harmones. But when it taken when you are completely drained, it is called Rahu based celibacy. Means when Rahu is high in your horoscope, he will not allow you to have celibacy or enlight. Celibacy has to be taken when you in center netither full nor drained of harmones.
I have seen 100s of rahu based celibates. Completely dead. Dull. They cant smile. If they laugh, samaana will start …
So one teacher this rahu based celibacy and one disciple – rahu based celibacy again. Very beautifully Upanishad describes (Tamil Verse) – when the blind is leading the blind, both will play the blind game and fall into the ditch. This Rahu based celibates, actually rahu based celibacy should never happen in you. Means suffering and negative based celibacy. If you have this, you will have hope, sometime you will have Rambha, urvasi dancing around you.
This master died, he went up. The disciple also died and wnet up. He saw master with Rambha, urvasi and said ‘master becos you lived properly you have been rewarded here’ rambha says ‘keep quiet. He is not rewarded, we have been punished’
Poorna based theory, will lead you to future
Buddha is very intelligent, he just shifted the whole thing to Shunya, nirvana, nibbana – you as you are hopeless, dump yourself, as quickly as possible in the nearest dustbin. He is very clear. Unfortunately, after Buddha, Buddhism also diverted and became superstitious. But one part of Shankaraites retained the purity still.
It lies in the individual intelligence. If individual is matured, he will know Brahman is beyond all lokas – nirguna brahma. But immature individuals will have fantasies about future lokas. Immaturity can create world even out of Buddha. Matured people can realize the nirguna out of poorna.
You need to understand path of both poorna and shunya. Here, patanjali says very clearly nothing. You as you are has no hope. Just dump. Don’t even think, if I dump myself in the master’s presence maybe a seed will sprout and I will become Paramahamsa.
Drop all hopes. You as you are has no hope. It is a ultimate statement. When patanjali gives, that is what is the truth.
But we have a innate fear about negativity. Even if I am put in a small cell for whole existence I will not have a problem. Of course I am not interested in going there, I will not have a problem. Because I have no hope. That’s all. But your mind always thinks in extremes. You are even afraid to tell I don’t suffer in prison. You may think oh no, I may be put in prison if I say this. Just understand the extreme way of thinking happening in the mind. Relax. You as you has no hope. Just drop the hope. All hopes. Whether pain or pleasure – any exp happens in you brings more pain. That’s all. (REPEAT –PAIN+PLEASURE – FEAR – GREED – PAIN)
So whatever combination you make, what is the final combination. PAIN. Understand, when you get this, suddenly something will happen. Of course if I describe that, you will wait for that. So I will not tell. Just be nothing. That’s all. Have that clarity that you are nothing and be nothing. Over.
Very beautiful sutra.
Parinaama Tapa samskara dukhaihi guna vrutti virodhath cha dukham eva sarvam vivekinaha
What clarity! Patanjali is source for buddhas and shankaras to happen. I think this sutra is base for whole Buddhism. How much ever I talk, I am afraid to talk because I may give you subtle unconsc hope of poorna. They you may say shoonya, shoonya, maybe poorna will happen. Simply there is only shoonya. So just be hopeless. This is the only understanding to conquer pain. So just relax in shoonya. Be nothing. You will be blissful. You will achieve and radiate the eternal bliss – Nithyananda. Thank you!
Let us enter into this process. Just be very clear if you have any hope about future. Drop it now. Any hope leads to hopelessness. Is it not? How many hopes you had & you were running, running, running. Where did you land? Hope is like the dangling carrot. Just be hopeless. Relax in padmasana and samaana mudra.
Be hopeless. This is the mantra – for the wise one, everything is suffering. Life is hopeless. This is the Mahavakya for process. Be hopeless.
Let the truth of shoonya be realized in your system.
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