“MAHABHARATA (The Science of Enlightenment)”

MAHABHARATA (The Science of Enlightenment)

Mahabharata, see such a beautiful story, it is such a wonderful story, actually I cannot tell this in one hour to two hour, because I can tell ( all of you guys know the Mahabharata story) Anybody who doesn’t know the basic story, of that war, the great war? I think all of you know the story! You know the story ma? Don’t know, oh God! If you know the story, then I can open the mystery step by step. It’s a too big story to tell the story itself. Alright, you just forget it. Later you read the story and then see this DVD. May be that only, unless you know the story, I cannot unveil; open the mysteries step by step.

You see the number 18 is a very mystical number, very mystical. You cannot count more than eight. You cannot count more than eight with your logic. Understand; let me now give you that theory of number counting. The more the numbers you guys have started counting, the deeper the vengeance or the logic which cuts gets developed in your system. In Satya Yuga, people were able to count only up to three. And then comes the Threta Yuga, people were only able to count up to seven. Then comes Dwapara, people were able to count up to eight. When people started counting up till nine, then came Kali-yuga. Because the counting means, the logic able to move step by step. If your thought can flow; if your eight thoughts can flow towards outer world without having any break, you are materialist. Understand, eight thoughts without you being reminded about going intraward, you are a materialist; you will be in depression, you will be in depression.

Eight thoughts without having self recovery, self healing thoughts, reminding your nature is a hell. Whenever your ten senses are added to this eighth thought, you are in depression, you are in difficulty. (These fellows are sleeping, that is why I told this is a strong subtle science). It’s a very beautiful thing if you guys understand. See as long as you don’t add depression to your hard-ware, ten senses. You don’t have five sense, you have ten sense. Understand, gyanendriya, karmendriya. When your tongue does the talking, its karmendriya; when it does the tasting it is gyanendriya. Input five and actions five. Dasaindriyas when your 10 indriyas is added to the mind which can count eight, you are in depression. Either you should not be able to count eight or ten indriyas should not be active. If both ten indriyas are not active, in some of the animal things, they are saved. If your ten indriyas are also active and you can count eight, you are depressed being. That is why the number eighteen plays a very major role. To get enlightened you have to break from this eighteen. See when your mind which can count eight, which can continuously go for eight thoughts extraward, touches the eye, it creates so much of millions thoughts related to eyes. When it touches your nose, creates millions of thoughts based on the nose. When it touches the tongue, creates millions of thoughts related to the tongue. (oh! right Come I am talking what you asked today morning, the Mahabharata war, you have come in the right time). Eighteen crore soldiers’ means eighteen crore thoughts; eighteen crore thoughts. Always, the thoughts will be more, the more number of thoughts will be depression oriented. That is why the eleven crore joined the negative sena and eight crore are only self healing thoughts, self recovery thoughts. You see, let me give you the description of destruction thoughts and self healing thoughts. You get a message that somebody has entered your home and all the money has been taken away. Now this is destruction. The moment you hear this you will think oh god what will happen to me everything lost and nothing is there and all kinds of depression thoughts and this is depression thoughts. The thought trend which starts. Self healing thoughts means, even if I had what is there, even if I have ten times more what is there, I am going to leave one day and die.

“Thenathya thena munjitham mAaakritha kasya Siddhanam” - the person who has renounced enjoys everything. These thoughts are self healing thoughts. You should have had some click with these self healing thoughts either by listening it from a master or you yourself contemplating and experiencing it. The thoughts which you heard from a living master and had click, got initiated, got the click, yes what he said is right. Or you yourself contemplated and got initiated, got self illumined; had the awakening of the kundalini, yes right! Those thoughts are called self healing thoughts. The self healing thoughts are eight crore and destruction thoughts are eleven crore, the fight starts. Understand, Arjuna is the individual consciousness, who is suffering between this and that. Your laziness to fight with the negative thoughts only comes as a tamas. No, no what is the need to fight with all these negative thoughts? Its ok let them rule. Your body is the land, your body is the land; your body is the land; your body is the land for which this eleven crore and 8 crore are fighting. Understand, 100 brothers, 100 brothers’ means cloning of one main thought. It’s a cloning; first cloning happened on planet earth is the Kauravas. First cloning happened on planet earth is the Kauravas. Who are Pandavas? The sons of the nature, Immaculate Conception; sons of the nature who are the Pandavas. Five, one from Yama; one from Indra and one from, Bhima from who? Vayu. And the two, Nakula and Sahadeva from Ashwini putras; Ashwini kumaras. All these guys are the sons of the nature; sons of nature, they are this side. All the sons of nature will always be self healing thoughts. And all this cloning of the negative thoughts will be always depression, destruction. Possessiveness is the Duryodhana. The energy which fans the possessiveness and exploits is Sakuni. Cunningness is Sakuni. All these fellows are gathering together with the help of eleven crore self destructing thoughts.

The problem is whenever Arjuna, the individual consciousness thinks. God! I have done so much of sins, I have so many negative thoughts, when am I going to finish them and conquer, you are in depression. That time only you need an enlightened master, Krishna to tell you, don’t bother they don’t have life because they are un-clutched. Understand all your negative thoughts do not have power over you because you are un-clutched. That is the truth you need to learn. That is the essence of Gita. If you have done Nithyanandam and know Mahabharata story, now you can understand completely. The whole scene you can understand. One side eleven crore negative thoughts, naturally the individual consciousness, when he sees eleven crore negative thoughts, what he will think? How can I become enlightened? When will I get all these guys out of me? And what is the need, after all I am a grihi, I am an householder, it’s ok. Let it be there as it is. I have responsibilities; I have duties, why should I kill all these thoughts? I have responsibility, I can’t leave this guy, I can’t leave that guy. And your not having courage, your coward ness, you will blame as your commitment to your parents or family. See real commitment will never have any contradiction or conflict. But whenever master says and if you say you have commitment, be very clear that it is your tamas you are justifying. Purely your tamas you are justifying. You are just exactly in the place of Arjuna when he was in depression before the war. That is why it is called Arjuna Vishada yoga, Arjuna Vishada yoga. The arrows which Arjuna had, every arrow he is trying to un-clutch. Once you un-clutch you are putting one arrow. One fellow has gone. Once if you put, once more you un-clutch, you have put one more arrow. When you are depressed and you say no, no this is not possible, why I should kill, your coward ness justified by you as your compassion; your coward- ness expressed by you as your compassion. You fall in depression and confusion. That is the time, you need master who will appear and tell you no! no! you have to finish.

Understand one more thing, why that Bhishma and Drona and all are there in the negative side? This is the important thing. Sometime, just because they have been empowered, surrounded by negative thoughts even some of your self healing thoughts can become support to the negative thoughts. Let me give you some example, and then you will understand. I think this example may hurt you somebody. It’s ok. If you are caught in some technique which has helped you to grow to certain extent, even though knowing that it is not going to help you grow any further, those thoughts are Bhishma and Drona’s. For example, you are with some guru or you are with some technique, you are with some system of belief, after sometime you understand that it is not helping you grow further but just because it did something good to you, you are stuck with it. Those thoughts are only Bhishma’s and Drona’s. They are equally dangerous like Duryodhana and Dushasana. Understand they are equally dangerous like Duryodhana and Dushasana. That is what is Bhishma and Drona and Karna, all these guys, all these guys are also that only. Why Drona? Who is Drona? Drona who taught you the archery, means initial level guru, who would have given you inspiration but when you see the satguru, even he is you enemy. When you see your satguru, even he is your enemy. He is also equally dangerous like Sakuni and what like Duryodhana.

Who is Karna? The attitude of charity. There are people who are caught in creating the wealth making machine, wealth making system just to do charity. That is also equally negative thought. Understand I know many people, no, no, no I will make money and do charity. You are caught and you will never become enlightened. You can become a Karna; you can become a Karna but does not mean you will become enlightened, no. maybe at the last moment if you have given something to the enlightened master itself like how he handed over everything to Krishna, there is a possibility. Now I promoted my game.(Swamiji’s laughter). Giving money to master will give you enlightenment. No that is what Krishna says, that is what the story says, means what? He takes away all the things, you see understand Krishna did not become rich by taking things from Karna. Can you say Krishna became rich? So master accepting something from you is not from him to become rich, but to liberate you from something in which you are caught. Because Karna was not able to die because Dharmadevatha is not allowing him to die. The punya he did is there. So Krishna was not able to liberate Karna. So he appeared and said, “Give me all your punyas”. So he just gave all the punyas and got liberated that very moment. Very moment he became enlightened. That is why we say Karna moksha and not Karna vadha; Karna-moksha. Kamsa and all Kamsa vadha. But for Karna, Karna moksha. It’s never Karna vadha. And who is Drona? Drona is the guy who taught you; who taught you logic, who taught you the spiritual enquiry. After sometime, he himself maybe obstruction, he is also equally dangerous.

Who is Bhishma? Embodiment of you parents and elders; past conditioning. He comes with a big, first the moment you un-clutch; the first guy will come up, who? Your conditioning. Bhishmapithamaha, Bhishma will stand up in front of you. And that is why Bhishma came to the war first with his big fresh eleven crore sena, eleven crore thoughts. The parental conditioning and the conditioning from the young age; your society whatever you respect is Bhishma. Then after that who gave you the spiritual fire in the initial level, who was encouraging you to rise to (202) one or two frequency level, he will come Drona. After that will come your charitable attitude, Karna. After that your very ego will come and stand, Duryodhana. After that you will see the enlightenment. That is the way the whole Mahabharata unreveals(unreels). That is the way the whole Mahabharata opens up. Understand, your negative thoughts will never oppose you, come and stand in front of you without any positive front. It cannot justify itself. Eleven crore depressing thoughts will not attack you without Bhishma or Drona or Karna. Beware of Bhishma, Drona and Karna, you are enlightened. If you are hypnotized or if you lose your confidence seeing Bhishma, Drona and Karna, you are lost, gone. You are Arjuna, gone. Now, Arjuna’s assistants, just see who are all Arjuna’s assistants, Dharma means morality. Even while you are doing the un-clutching have Dharma as a base. Just because you are un-clutching don’t start just straight away womanizing. Don’t start straight away, ah after all I am un-clutched, let me start using drugs. Let me start doing this. No! that is not going to work. Dharma is supposed to be a base. Next assistant, who Bhima, courage, strength to un-clutch. Whatever happens I am going to un-clutch. I may have knee pain, I may have back pain, I may have this pain, I may have that pain I will un-clutch. That courage is the Bhima.

Who are these Nakula and Sahadeva’s? See, the whole the Mahabharata had only three enlightened beings, Krishna, Balarama, and Sahadeva. Krishna, Balarama, Sahadeva. Sahadeva is the guy who gives you the tips from the enlightened masters. Tips from enlightened masters is Sahadeva, means reading the different biographies and books of enlightened masters that is Sahadeva. Sahadeva is embodiment of knowledge; embodiment of knowledge. Nakula is the embodiment of science to keeping your body till you become enlightened, means need for little maintenance of your health through yoga; through some techniques till you become enlightened is Nakula. These are the guys you need as assistants. Of course, above all, the person who is sitting in your chariot and driving you Krishna, ‘Antharyami’, enlightened master.

Now when you start the Yuddah, first you see eleven million standing in front of you and you see all the great your conditioning. Your parents are standing in front of you. Your elders are standing in front of you, who are teaching you from the day one what you should do and what you should not do. And next who is standing? The guy who gave you the spiritual inspiration, he is standing. Third, all your charitable attitudes, they are standing. What will you do now? Sakuni, Duryodhana, all the fellows are hiding behind. Understand all the fellows are hiding behind. They are all not in front. And now starts the Yuddah. The moment you see the whole thing, oh God! Eleven crore what will I do? You will turn, Krishna, “I don’t need, no, no, you tell whatever you want, I am going, no, no, no, no. I am disappearing, even if I beg and eat that is ok. But I don’t want to be in all this drama no.” But Krishna says, “fool whether you kill this eleven crore thoughts or not, they don’t have life they are dead”. That is what Krishna says whether you kill them or not they are dead already. You just take your arrow and act as if you are killing. You just un-clutch a few times, they are not there. It is your fear that is giving power to those eleven crore people. It is your fear which is giving power to eleven crore people. This fool never bothered to look at the eight crore people standing behind him, self healing thoughts, never bothered to see that. That is what I always tell people, you clutch only the negativity and see, never clutch the positivity and see. You never clutch the positivity and see. You clutch only negativity and see. That is the first step. Finally after all the teachings, even when you are not convinced then master gives you energy darshan and gives you the darshan. An experience, alright fool you are not understanding the intellectual things, now at least see who is talking to you and all those things. Then you get shaken up, oh God! Then you see master is the embodiment of all negative and positive and beyond everything; beyond everything, Vishwaroopa. You get the courage; yes after all I will not be lost.

You get the courage and take your Gandiva, understand that is another one important word. The word Gandiva means which cannot be taken away. Understand Gandiva means in Sanskrit which cannot be taken away. The un-clutching is the technique which can never be taken away from you. Any mantra, mantra can be taken away from you. Un-clutching can never be taken away from you because it is your very nature. It’s your very nature. All you need to do is un-clutch, un-clutch, un-clutch. Suddenly you see in ten days Bhishma dies, means all your conditionings disappears, means your parental conditionings, disappears and few crores of thoughts have disappeared. The parental conditioning disappearing is something like a big success. Now understand, parental conditioning will never die because the language which you learnt will never die till you leave the body. That is why Bhishma was never dead. He is lying there in a corner, he can’t be active, that’s all. Understand, he can’t be active, he will not attack you anymore but he will be there in one corner. He will be there in one corner that is the Bhishma. So all the things that was attacking you from your parental conditioning will lose its power and it will be lying in one corner. It will lying in one corner. Till you leave this body, the inner chattering, the genetical development, the genetical structure of your parents will be there on you. That is what that body lying down. But it will not have the negative qualities which it is having now. Beautiful story, I will end up with this story, maybe I will continue the Mahabharata later on because still few guys are sleeping.

Mahabharata war is over and Bhishma is lying on the arrow bed, bed of arrows and all the Dharmaraja, Yudhistara, Arjuna and everybody is going there to ask for his blessings to get coronated and Bhishma gives a beautiful teaching lying on the arrow bed, how to rule the country. Then Draupadi was not able to bear. She comes out and tells, “Father why don’t you keep quiet. I feel so dirty to listen to your words. You talk all these tall things but what happened to you when my cloth was pulled, when I was abused on public stage? What happened to your dharma? Come on, answer me! Bhishma says at that time I was not able to talk, I did not have any intelligence because I ate the food of Duryodhana. “Ashraya dosha”, understand: who ever pays you, their quality will be on your head. Blessed are those who work under enlightened master. Blessed are those for whom boss is also master. Whoever pays you their quality will also be on your head. Whether you believe it or not unconsciously you will be imbibing their quality. You will be imbibing their quality. And beautifully Bhishma says, “I ate his food, ‘ashraya dosha’. So my intelligence never worked. So if your parental conditioning is being enriched by your depressing thoughts or it is bringing more and more depressing thoughts means you are eating ashraya dosha food. Your intelligence will not work when you are having a problem, when you have a problem. Then Bhishma says now because of the Arjuna’s arrows, because consciously individual consciousness is un-clutched, I lost all that blood. The ashraya dosha blood has gone.

If you constantly un-clutch from your parental conditioning, the thoughts that are enriching the parental conditioning will leave you. You will see dharma comes out of your own parental conditioning. Your parental conditioning can put you in depression if you are enriched by negative thoughts constantly. If constantly you use un-clutching the same parental conditioning can help you to maintain your dharma and teach you dharma. That is what is the story of Bhishma. Bhishma is the parental conditioning. And he says, all that negative blood has left my body. That is why now I am able to tell you, what to do and what not to do. Parental conditioning will fall and lose its negativity and it will be there only to guide you and help you by tenth day of un-clutching, continuously un-clutching. Then will appear all your chota, chota spiritual knowledge or logic that you read, the intellectual stuff about spirituality which has not become enlightenment but which is stopping you to surrender to enlightened master. You are there only. You are caught with Drona! The guys who had some spiritual reading, spiritual knowledge but now the same knowledge is standing in front of you. You are not able to surrender to the living master. You are there, that is what is Drona. Your own acharya is standing in front of you. What will you do? Let’s see tomorrow (Swamiji’s laughter).

Chapter II One revelation let me tell this, and then I will go to Mahabharata. See you body has got an automatic intelligence. Whenever you feel you are about to fall sick, just pray to your body. Just make your body sit on your bed like how you put your deities and visualize you are in front of your body, oh intelligence! See your body is the expression of the mother earth, the Bhoodevi, the mother earth. Physical thing only na, the mother earth. So jJust pray, “You please hHeal yourself; see that I am able to do whatever I want to do through you. You see, your mind is societal, your body is natural. So your mind only is the culprit, the cunning fellow. Your body is natural. So just pray to the body like five minutes in the morning like you pray to God. Pray to body, please heal yourself, please see that I am able to do whatever I want to do through you and you are accommodating me and just see that you are able to accommodate me. Just five minutes, you will see that miracles will happen. Just miracles will happen. Your body will be so capable of or ready to listen to you, it will just do miracles. Whenever you feel like you are having a headache or some disturbance, small, small day to day disturbance just pray to your body for five minutes, completely you will become alright and it will immediately sweat and clean itself. It will sweat and clean itself. Ok.

Now let us enter into the Mahabharata.

See yesterday I was talking about this Bhishma, parental conditioning. If you look little deep, how Bhishma was conquered? Shikandi, the gay guy was put in front and conquered. Who is gay? Gay is the person who said no to the basic parental conditioning, whether you are male or female. A rebel, anti social attitude or the hippy attitude is good to conquer Bhishma, but not anything further. Sometime being a little crazy like Muni is good. No really, little crazy is good. No it helps you to conquer your Bhishma. It helps you to conquer your Bhishma. I was wondering when you take sanyas, the path of enlightenment you are asked to be a, completely you are asked to say no to the society. So I was thinking hippies also say no to society then why they have not become enlightened.

Shikandi is used useful to conquer Bhishma but not after that. So attitude of saying no to society, the hippy attitude is good as long as you conquer the parental conditioning, Bhishma. Then you have to drop Shikandi also. You can’t use Shikandi for Drona. For Drona you need a different guy, different tactics, and different technique. Drona is who? The intellectual knowledge, which has not become enlightened in you, that is Drona, your acharya who has inspired you but who has not given enlightenment. He himself is not enlightened. The librarians who keep this knowledge and give you but not led you to enlightenment.

So having the attitude of Shikandi is the best way to put the Bhishma down. See in front of the Shikandi, Bhishma cannot be active. Nobody else can conquer Bhishma. A straight complete no to social conditioning, society’s attitude and that is the only way to conquer Bhishma. So Arjuna put that in front. That is why in Bharat anybody wants to become enlightened it becomes the basic conditioning of leaving the home and starting the travel. I was thinking, is it really a basic condition? In the initial level it is necessary, breaking from the social conditioning. Unless you go through a thorough change, break because enlightenment is not a development of your personality. It is breaking free from your personality. Enlightenment is not personality development program.

What is the meaning of the personality development program? Bull! Your personality is not worthy of developing, understand that. It is worthy of dropping, not developing. Anybody who tries to do personality development will end up in worst depression. Let me tell you, me give you some ideas about this personality development. What do we mean by this personality development? Now these so many movies are becoming popular. What exactly happens in these guys you know, they will give you some thought which will really click in you and which is an inspiration for you. For few days that will work on your mind and whenever you bring that thought to your mind your problems will disappear. It’s called initiation. But an important secret is missing in this. Those thoughts will be powerful and alive only for a few days in your head. Suddenly after few days you see that very idea of remembering, visualizing does not hold any more power over you. You just don’t feel like doing it. You just don’t feel like connecting with that idea. It has lost power over you. These clicks, these initiations can cause personality development but cannot lead to enlightenment.

Enlightenment can happen only by a master who gives you constantly these clicks and he can take care of you even if that click is not working on you. Click means initiation. For example, I give you the idea, “eh! Everything is maya, everything is illusion”. When I explain that concept suddenly it clicks on you. Your realize, for ten days whenever any problem rises in your inner space, you remember, everything is maya, swamiji told me. Immediately that problem disappears. But after two weeks what will happen, even if you remember, eh! Forget about it. No, no, no, no it is reality. Your initiation will not work. A person who can hold you even while your initiation is not working only can liberate you. Initiation, itself do not have capacity to liberate you. These books, these movies can give you initiation, click! That is why the best seller books, any book which has got a click will become a best seller.

Actually I can give you ten lessons on how to make best sellers. First thing you need to be an idiot. No you should not have intelligence. If you have intelligence, you will feel compassionate towards people. Guys who are giving like this clicks to people and giving them the assurance that they will be liberated are spreading cancers, psychological cancers. Understand without enlightenment, giving like these one or two clicks, and giving them big promises.

You see now, people, when ten days that click works, what will they do, eleventh day even if that does not work they will only suspect them, they will not suspect the initiation. So the struggle starts between them. Inside them the struggle starts, arey! Ten days before it was working on me, why it is not working now? Then something is wrong with me. The struggle between you and you over a concept which was working on you but now not working is called ‘sadhana’. Understand then it was working, now it is not working, but you are trying to make it work, that struggle is what you think as sadhana is.

Sadhana is not a struggle, is it is a struggle then the person who initiated you is not enlightened. Person who can hold you even when the initiation is not working on you is enlightened. Understand! Now you can understand the personality development versus personality dropping. Guys who are helping people to do personality development are creating so much of conflict in the inner spaces of the human-beings, they are spreading psychological cancers. I know people who suffer because of concepts like creative visualization. For first few days it will work because the initiation will click. After few days that will not have any more power over you. If you have read enough of this kind of nonsensical literatures and practiced and tried it on your inner space you can understand what I am talking; you can understand what I am talking. First ten days they will work on you. After two weeks when they don’t work on you what will you do? You will not suspect the author. Will you? What will you do? You will suspect you! Then the struggle between you and you starts; the conflict; internal conflict; disrespect; losing confidence over you. That is why I always warn people, do not read, do not eat the books written by unenlightened beings. Do not swallow like a donkey, like how donkey eats papers. Do not swallow anything and everything which is written by unenlightened beings because that will give you the click for fifteen days. That is the worst danger. The initiation will happen. After fifteen days the initiation will lose its power over you. What will you do? You are in danger.

Enlightenment is not personality development. It is personality dropping. So saying complete no to society that you being said you are a male or a female is the first conditioning happened to you. Saying no to that is a gay. Putting complete no to the society in front of Bhishma, parental conditioning, the parental conditioning is dead. That is what is the meaning of Shikandi being put in the front and Bhishma being killed.

Then comes Drona. How Drona was killed, it is a very big drama. Understand Drona’s killing if you see it is a big drama. In the Drona’s killing four people need to be involved. Individual consciousness – Arjuna; Enlightened master – Krishna; Dharma – Yama Dharmaraja – morality and Acharya – the Drona. See you have in front of you the knowledge which was inspiration towards the enlightenment but it is not giving you enlightenment. The person who inspired you towards enlightenment, but he himself is not a person who can give you enlightenment. He is the acharya, Drona. And Dharma(morality), how can I drop him! How can I drop him! But Dharma has to decide that now this fellow has to die. That courage has to happen. So many people who I know are caught in the attitude, no, no, no its guru droha. Understand it is guru droha. But the problem is that you Dharma will never accept to do the droha. Now enlightened master comes to play – Krishna. He comes up with his tactics. You see, you don’t have to compromise from your dharma, but just do what I say so that this knowledge dies and you take the jump.

Understand now these four guys have to play this role because it is such a sensitive thing. If any of you already had exposure to spiritual literature or a guru, and had connection you would have faced the same struggle, you would have faced the same struggle. You would have had the same problem and if you would have had the same problem, now you can understand what I am saying; now you can understand what I am saying. That dharma part, the morality part of you will justify continuously, no, no I cannot drop, he helped me! He lifted me, he elevated me. How can I drop Drona. But unless Drona falls, you cannot have enlightenment. Now the living master comes to play. He inspires Dharma. “Aye! You don’t have to tell a lie but just tell something which is almost true for Arjuna, your individual consciousness, but a lie for Drona. So that technique, that tactic for that Krishna needs to trust Dharma. Understand for me to tell you to drop from your old ideology or personality or the master and move to me I need to trust your individual consciousness and your dharma so that you will not play that same thing on me (Swamiji’s laughter).

Understand Krishna has to come up with a proper technique because this is a very subtle drama. This is a very subtle drama. Here you need to play a very proper drama; a very proper step has to be taken. The person drops the old knowledge which has not led him to enlightenment but able to catch the living master who can lead you to enlightenment directly. It is a very subtle game. It needs to be done not verbally. You can’t do it. You can’t do it. So now Krishna has to come up with the tactics. He comes up with the idea. He calls Bhima and tells him to kill an elephant which is called Ashwathama. See, Ashwathama, the elephant is killed. Now he calls Dharma, “Aye you go and tell in front of Drona the elephant called Ashwathama has died.” And then when Dharma was telling the elephant called Ashwathama died. During that word the ‘elephant called’, Krishna blows his conch. So Drona heard only, “Ashwathama atha kunjanaha” - Ashwathama died and Drona dropped. So now the master needs to play a big role of moving you from that plane to this next plane. See nothing is wrong with the knowledge you acquired or the master who helped you. But you can receive only that much from him. Many times Drona himself can be enlightened, means the person who inspired you, helped you would have become enlightened. May be he would have been enlightened. But you can receive or suck only that much from him. That much juice only you can suck. So your attitude is only that much. After that there may be so many reasons. Non-availability or not able to connect, not able to relate, your not able to develop more than that, so many reasons may be. That is the reason now you have to go beyond Drona.

Now Krishna comes to play and he comes up with the tactics. One more thing, your morality has to agree that Drona has to fall. Your dharma has to agree that drona has to fall. You have to go beyond Drona. Only then Krishna can come up with a plan and say, “chalo start, chalo start”. One more thing here for the first time you cross even your morality for the sake of the master. Understand, your morality is no more big thing. Even Dharma is no more big thing. You go towards the master and then Drona falls. You take the next step. Next step is who? Karna. That is the most difficult part.

Karna is your satva, your attitude of charity, your attitude of compassion. See even compassion is dangerous because it tells you that the person outside is real. Person outside is a real, that is what is the base of compassion, na! he is real and you are showing the compassion. No it is not the truth. It is not the real. Now to bring the compassion down, a different tactic has to be done. It is another one big tactics. When the compassion has got all his weapons in his hand you cannot kill him. You cannot kill because his weapons are very powerful than individual consciousness weapons. It will look almost like individual consciousness is an egoistic self centered person if he is using some thoughts against compassion. Many times you see, no, no, no, people come up with very logical questions, “ is it really needed for me to get enlightened instead of serving so many poor people in front of me. Is it not? So many people are dying, millions are dying should I serve them or I should get enlightened. It is too selfish for me to get enlightened.” If you are stuck here you stuck in the fourteenth day of Mahabharata. Mahabharata war ends on the fourteenth day. Still a few crore sena is left, you have not become enlightened but you will have the protection of Dharmadevatha, no arrow will come and hit you. All arrows sent towards Karna will become flower garland and fell on youhim. Do you know that, the story says so you won’t also have any suffering from the world at this point? But you are not enlightened. This is what I call the space of heaven. You are in heaven by fourteenth day.

If you have crossed Bhishma, if you have crossed Drona, you are in heaven already. But you are not enlightened. You are caught in a very wrong logic. Now Krishna has to come into play. Next drama he has to do, he has to make you sattva harmless. Sanjaya means spontaneity, understand sanjaya means spontaneous conquerer. Sanjaya is the driver of compassion. Compassion has to lose its spontaneity. Sanjaya has to run away in between. Now create a trouble between Sanjaya and compassion – spontaneity and compassion. Your spontaneous instinct says something and compassion says something else. This is how Karna Moksha starts. Now starts Karna moksha. When your spontaneity, spontaneity means the energy that drives you to do things is Sanjaya. Sanjaya was the driver, Sanjaya was the driver for Karna. So now this guy, the spontaneity, is it leaves you then compassion is harmless. It has no weapons. Its completely lost its energy. Now attack him, now Krishna says attack him You need to go beyond even this logic. Why? Is it really necessary for me to get enlightened? Is it not greedy instead of serving so many people, helping so many people, why should I get enlightened? Unless you have the bliss or joy, how do you think you will be able to give it to the others?

There is a beautiful Zen saying, an enlightened being even if he kills others it is good for them. Unenlightened being, even if he does service with the big, big hospitals, it will only be disturbing them. It will only end up in mess. So person who is ready to go beyond his satva, who is ready to jump beyond his compassion also is listening to his master. Now Krishna says, “Aye! Arjuna chalo, finish him off”. Arjuna could have said, no, no he is embodiment of compassion. One more thing, satva is also the brother of the nature but playing the other side. Karna is also the brother of Arjuna but playing the other side. Compassion is your brother. The individual consciousness’s brother is compassion but unfortunately playing the opposite side, that is Karna. Now master says, no forget about compassion, finish, you cannot be stuck even with him. Then when you take the courage, courageous step and start, one more thing understand Gita was only the initiation. Everyday Arjuna obeyed Krishna’s words, means every step he took the courageous bold steps. That is what I tell people. Gita is like doing NSP are or Atma Spurna. After that coming up to Bhishma maybe I can say ashramite initiation, becoming ashramite (Swamiji’s laughter), and then getting to Drona I can say having vanaprastha or sanyasa and coming upto the Karna now living enlightenment. You start living enlightenment. You need to progress, continue. You cannot sit just because you have become ashramite, no! Then war ends in the tenth day. You cannot sit just because be have become vanaprasthi, no! then war ends in the 12th day with Drona.

Now, even going beyond your own what you call as compassion or satva, your own, what was your own bi-product, or brother, individual consciousness’s elder brother is compassion but ready to go and even throw the elder brother, the compassion out for the sake of the master’s word because every step Krishna is inspiring and guiding . Arjuna could have said no to Krishna at any point but did not say. Fortunately he moved every step, when he says even no to compassion and finishes him off. He could have said, no, no, no! he is not having any weapons and he is embodiment of compassion, dharma, he could have said, no! But straight away went, finished. Here ends Karna’s disappearance.

Then comes the final and ultimate, final and ultimate, your ego. You will face your ego without any paraphernalia. Understand by now your ego directly comes up without any judgment. That is what, is depression. Causeless ego is depression. You don’t know the reason but you just don’t want to be around the master. No, no, no I am feeling disconnected. This is the word. You don’t know the reason. But you say I am feeling disconnected. You are now facing the Duryodhana. You are now facing the Duryodhana. Understand, the big problem with Duryodhana is you cannot kill him with any weapon because his whole body is weapon proof. You cannot break him. No part of his body can be penetrated by any weapon. He has taken the vow, he has taken the boon. You cannot do anything with ego. Even individual consciousness cannot do anything with ego because your ego is much more powerful than individual consciousness. How will you fight with you? Now you need complete protection and support and every inch direction of master, every inch direction of master. That is what the story says, Krishna just presses his thigh, taps on his thigh and says finish him. Kick him there. Same way when that last fight goes on with you and your depression, the problem is now even master cannot directly guide you because you say you are disconnected, you are feeling disconnected. What to do? You are saying you are feeling disconnected. So he has to play the game till the Duryodhana becomes tired. Only when the Duryodhana becomes tired, he knows the right spot where the blow has to happen; where the blow has to happen. He will tire you.

Whenever people come and tell me that they feel disconnected, I will sit and talk and talk and talk and exhaust their logic, no, exhaust their logic, three four sitting I will do. First sitting I will send them saying I will see you later on, now class is there. Second sitting, third sitting, exhaust their logic, then I know where is the thigh point, where is the thigh point. And the individual consciousness will receive the instruction blast there and blast there and suddenly you will see that Duryodhana falls and enlightenment happens. (Swamiji’s laughter, the audience clapping). That’s all the eighteen day drama. The eighteen day drama ends.

The blood of Duryodhana after he falls becomes amrita. That is what is used to grow your very intelligence. That is why Draupadi applies that very blood and ties her hair. It is not vengeance. After your ego falls the very ego which was enemy to you can now become instrument for teaching and preaching. The very logic can now become instrument for your teaching and preaching. It can become amrita and your hair can grow so that you can travel around the world (Swamiji’s laughter) and taking classes. This is the whole drama.

Now the parental conditioning will by lying down there in a corner without its negativity, without any of its negativity. It has lost all its negativity. It is lying there as a Bhishma. Just like Bhishma lying, it is lying there. Then you can even go and take blessings from the parental conditioning. You can have even your mother in your own ashram, nothing wrong (Swamiji’s laughter) and that will not cause any problem because parental conditioning has lost all its negativity. Bhishma has lost all his negative things, then all the thoughts have disappeared, then you can take even blessing from Bhishma. Then Bhishma can teach you how to run the kingdom and how to spread more. It is possible. Even the Bhishma can give you tips. Bhishma gives you tips to sit in the throne and coronation happens(Swamiji’s laughter).

Question & Answer:

1. The common thread of all these people seems to be the attachment, like the attachment of Bhishma (clutching getting clutched). Bhishma was always for the kingdom.When it came to Dronacharya, he was his son. Similarly Karna for Duryodhana because he had given the protection.

Understand parental conditioning with always bother about property and acharyas who gave you knowledge but did not give you enlightenment will always bother about disciples and next generation, the compassion or Karna will always bother about the friendliness. But you have to cross all these three to get enlightened. Dropping Bhishma means dropping all the properties, luxury, comfort, outer world. Dropping Drona means dropping all the next generation, you see that’s where he was locked. Where these guys were locked see, Bhishma was locked in the property and samrajya- kingdom. So your parental conditioning you will not be able to drop if you are going to know that you are going to inherit the property. How can you say no to them? Only when you are courageous enough to drop the properties, the kingdom, you will be able to say no to him, the parental conditioning.

What is Drona, where Drona was caught? The next generation, the putresana. See Putra does not mean just the son but ideological son. Disciples are also putresana only. So always these acharyas will have problems, see one small thing, if you want to find out whether you are caught with an acharya or an enlightened master just go and tell him you are leaving him. If he suffers and wants to keep him under him, he is only an acharya. If he feels compassionate and he himself does not bother, and if he says if it is good for you otherwise be happy wherever you are and if be able to clearly un-clutch and relax, understand he is a master. These acharyas will always suffer when the disciple leaves because disciples are enriching their ego. Whose ego is not enriched by the disciple is a master. Whose ego stands on the disciple is an acharya.

Usually when people come and tell me they are leaving, first I tell them understand these all it’s a suffering, just for that I am asking, after that its ok, be blissful wherever you are. That’s all and the third day I won’t even remember them, I won’t even remember them. People who live around me, you guys know that people who have left have I even remembered their names? Now for telling I can recollect, remember and tell. Bhaktimayananda and all I never even remembered his name. He has lived around me. When he left and have you seen me remembering his name Shiv? Means my ego is not enriched by the disciples, by disciples. I don’t even remember them. Now just to tell you guys I remembered the name. Then comes compassion. He will be clutched in friendliness. If you are compassionate, you will be clutched in friendliness. Friendliness is another one big problem. No, no, no, he has not become enlightened, how can I become enlightened? He is not traveling with me, how can I? No, there is no friendliness after a certain limit. After a certain point it is the individual path of loneliness, the path from aloneness to aloneness. No wife, no husband, nobody can come with you. It is just you and you, un-clutching from that. Karna moksha, liberation of Karna.

Then comes Duryodhana, the very ego. Depression stands up with all its vigor and the beauty is your individual consciousness will not know where to kick your ego. That is why you are suffering with your ego. Three days and three nights the fight was going on. On master knows where to kick the ego and he will kick exactly in that spot, in the space, then liberation happens.

Q2: Swamiji, in the personal living in the normal world how do they conquer these elements of Mahabharata?

A: See there is nothing like normal world, separate world ma. Understand this point and assimilate that whatever is locking you in the normal life will drop, will suddenly give way,

Q3. Swamiji when you were talking of numbers up till eight, and when the number 9 came all the problems of Kali-yuga. Until each yuga there was only one master. But in Kali Yuga, there are several so called masters and acharyas and other, there are multiple of them. So that where…………,

A: I cannot say that in each Yuga there was only one master. No. only one or two masters biographies have been recorded and become popular. But I can’t say, there was only one. Parashurama and Rama lived in the same yuga. Both of them met with each other and Krishna meets with so many masters. And Rama meets with Vasishta, and I cannot say there was only one master. One has become hero. But there was no one master. It was not always one master, it was many masters. And it will be many masters. But one thing where it clicks for you that’s all.

Q4. But if the progeny is not to be there and if everybody becomes a sanyasi, world ends at that level, today the progeny…..,

A: One more thing doctor, please do not think God is dependent on you for creation. He is not dependent on you surely for creation. That’s first thing and next thing its not that everybody will take that step doctor! Everybody will not be going till that 12th day of the fight. There will be millions of people who will stop with the 10th day of fight. They will die or they will stop and they may not have life enough to go to the 12th day of fight. So we don’t have to bother about that. So whoever has got courage proceed further. That’s all.

Q5. How do you give up friendliness, compassion?

A: Compassion is alive just because the other person is reality. The other is not real as you think. You see, the seer and the seen, from seer consciousness takes a jump continuously because it is not able to relax into the seer itself. Taking jump, that restlessness gives life to the seen because you not atmarama. The seer is not relaxed in the seer itself, it takes a jump and gives life to the seen. And the jump between seer and seen and seer and seen and seer and seen is seeing, the process. The person who stops this jump (triputibedha), by dropping the seen is renouncer or sanyasi. There is nothing to be seen. He takes away all his taste to see things. So the seen becomes dull and the jumping stops. He becomes enlightened through renouncing. The person whose seer is relaxed, he becomes enlightened, that is bhakti. The seer dissolves his bhakti, the seen dissolves his jnana. But some way in this three one has to drop, then the jump will stop. When the jump stops the process also stops. When the seer is not completely in bliss with the seer, he starts becoming restless and jumps. When he jumps he gives life to the seen. Because he gives life to the seen the process of jumping becomes seeing. Whenever the seen loses its power it is renunciation. When you renounce the seen loses its power over you and so there is no point to jump. When there is place to jump the seer relaxes in the seer, then seeing does not happen and seeing is not there, you are enlightened.

When the seer drops in the seen is the master and disciple, devotion to the existence. Then seer dies, you are stuck with seen. Again because you are stuck with the seen there is no seer and the jump stops and the seeing stops and you are enlightened. Whether you are stuck the seer or seen, get completely stuck, you are enlightened. And if you are jumping that is where the triputibedha is alive. That’s all is the whole drama. As long as the compassion is there, the jump between triputibedha is happening. The seer and the seen are jumping. For any reason the seer and the seen jumping is going on the seeing will be there. Ignorance is there. Either the seen has to drop or the seer has to drop. Dropping the seen is Vedanta – renunciation, gnana. Dropping the seer is bhakti – devotion. Yes any other question?

Q6: How to differentiate between Drona and Sahadeva?

A: Ah! How will you differentiate between Drona and Sahadeva? This is a nice question. Drona can stand against you if you are not going to fulfill what he thinks as right. But Sahadeva will stand for you even if you are against him because Duryodhana comes to Sahadeva to fix a date to start the war for his success. And Sahadeva clearly, dharmically gives the right date for Duryodhana. Any of you know that story? See, Sahadeva is supposed to be the master of astrology. So Duryodhana wants a date when to start the war? What is the right date to start the war for his success? He goes to Sahadeva and asks, “oh brother! I know you are a great astrologer, please give me the date. I should start the war on the right date so that I will be successful. Sahadeva says, “Please come brother. He sees the astrology and gives the date, the coming amavasya day start the yudha and you will be successful. And Krishna was totally shaken because Sahadeva’s words will come true. And the whole thing now is done. The whole plan of Krishna is now gone because Duryodhana will start the war on amavasya and he will win the war, what to do? Now comes the Krishna with the drama, see Sunday is amavasya, they have to start the war. Saturday itself suddenly Krishna is sitting in the banks of the water tank and giving darpana. Usually darpana is given only on amavasya. He has to give only on Sunday but Saturday itself Krishna is sitting and doing darpana. Sun and the moon both of them got shaken, what is this? Only on amavasya day he has to give darpana. And he is giving darpana one day earlier. What is going on? Both of them ran and came to Krishna, “Krishna, only tomorrow is amavasya, why are you giving darpana today? Krishna says, what is amavasya? Amavasya means sun and moon have to meet. Now are you guys not meeting? Today is amavasya over. The war started on prathima and they got defeated. Understand, Sahadeva, even if he knows you are going to play the other side he will be honest and give you the instruction.

I know for sure sometimes some disciples may drop and go against. But I don’t reject them. I see the potentiality that they can become enlightened, that is the reason I allow them in my fort, I allow them in my court and I continue to teach them. People ask me, my ashramites ask me, “Swamiji, after one year he ran away. Don’t you know that he is going to run away? Why did you train him? Why did you spend so much time with him? Why did you spend so much time on him?” I tell them no, possibility, possibility is there. So even if I know that he is going to play the other side when he comes we have to be honest in operating, giving, offering, sharing, this is Sahadeva.

But Drona will not do that. Drona will stand on the other side. If he knows that if you are going to be this side, he will not bother to stand against you and play the drama. That is the difference between Drona and Sahadeva.(Swamiji’s laughter). Deeper insights from Mahabharata hmm!

Are you convinced? All the people are not going to play the drama till the 14th day. People may not become matured; see the people may not be in the body till they get matured to drop the family, and go to the next step. So who ever has got opportunity, decide! Don’t miss. That’s all.

Q: 7 When Krishna comes to the court and he is bargaining that because of the meddling …., Only Bhishma and Vidhura only saw the cosmic form of Krishna. These two were the only to see his real form, when Dronacharya was even not able to see when he showed his cosmic form, so obviously he is not enlightened. But Bhishma and Vidhura, were they enlightened?

No. but the parental conditioning has some good qualities of keeping the tradition alive. So those things have glimpse for themselves for some time, satori. But even if they had satori they can’t be followed.

Q8: Swamiji you said about 18 days war, is that semantic of 18days? For some people may be one year maybe, one day may …?

A: No, no it is not 18 days, it is 18 steps like your ego which can count up to 8 connecting itself with eyes. That is one day war. Connecting itself with the nose is one day war. Like this going through all the 10 karmendriyas, gnanendriyas and karmendriyas. Not only that this 8, one more thing, it has got that chittam, buddhi, manam, the parts of the mind ahankara, these eight. See this number 8 has got 8 parts. Chitta, buddhi, mana, ahankara, all this kind of 8 parts, individual consciousness; your memory and all these things. These 8 joining with one, one sense. That one, one sense joining and fighting, coming for fight is one day war. Where you are going to stuck is the thing. That’s all.

Q 9: The question I have is until we meet our masters where we were before in the past, we do not even know.

A: That is not a problem. Actually when you meet a master and start the process only the yudha itself starts. Because yudha is created by master, Krishna. Till then you will not even know what your worth is and you are not even asking for it. You are living in forest. You are in agnathavasa. Only master comes and tells you, arey! You are in agnatha. You have lost your freedom, swarajyasidhi. You have not achieved your swarajya. You are not having your own rights, you are being excommunicated. You are cheated by your negative thoughts. Till then you will not even know, you have been sent to forest, you have been cheated in a very cunning way by your own. See the courage of depression is Sakuni, cunningness. Courage of individual consciousness is Bhima. Courage of individual consciousness is Bhima; courage of cunningness is Sakuni (courage of ego). So you are not even aware that your ego and cunningness has played game on you and kicked you out of your own property which is enlightenment and you are sitting in vana, you are sitting in agnathavasa. You have lost even the idea that you own something. Then comes master to remind you. He even goes as ambassador to eleven crore thoughts, your negative thoughts, your ego. See you live in one corner. Let us all live happily together. If ego accepts, I will also live, you also live then ego becomes servant, ego becomes servant. But the ego is not ready to accept. Only the master educates you, “Fools it is your property, don’t stop. War itself is created by Krishna; created by Krishna. Till then whatever that is going on is not a war but agnathavasa.

Q: 10 The fact that we are with masters, we are in the process of getting enlightened and it will happen?

A: It will happen and you are supposed to listen to all the tactics which he gives continuously and execute it. And you should find out, “aye! Bhishma is standing in front, Drona is standing in front, and Karna is standing in front and blast.” You are done.

Q:11 Swamiji did Mahabharata really happen?

A: I can say in a way there was a fact and but some things were added but now you can understand in this angle. The whole thing will become as reality. I have not started speaking on these kavyas, kavyas of Ramayana and Mahabharata. Maybe I will give continuous sessions on Ramayana and Mahabharata later on bringing the whole thing back to life. See Guha helping Rama, to cross the Sarayu river and becoming brother is the whole philosophy of enlightenment. May be later on we will explore (Swamiji’s laughter).

(Question not clear) A: Doctor, if I start I will not be able to end, that is why. If I have enough time I can tell you elaborately step by step. See now I gave you the new insight into the gay ideology. Person who said no to the parental conditioning is gay. He is successful in certain steps towards freedom but not ultimate. He has to drop even saying no attitude. Then he can face Drona. See it is like the mother has to bring you up till the age of seven with love and care and should hand over you to the father. Father should bring you up from the age of seven to fourteen by giving you knowledge and intellect and hand you over to the master and move out. And master has to bring you up from fourteen to twenty one and make you enlightened and hand you over to God and move out. Who ever does not move out, they will be moved out. And they should be moved out. That’s all, that’s all is the Mahabharata war. Parental conditioning dropping, then the master, he also should drop, then compassion should also drop, then enlightenment.

Doctor: Sorry I am asking too many question.

Swamiji: No, no you can ask. We have time for question, answer, means we have few more minutes.

Q:12 One observation is that all the Pandavas, all the Kauravas, including all the acharyas, if everybody seems to have been married with kids!

A: See that idea is totally different. I am not saying being married with kids is something wrong. See I am not saying that at all. But these guys married with kids, finally who stood? Even Krishna is married with kids, what willyou say about that. So I am not saying married with kids, see that is totally different idea. So now what I am presenting is a totally different idea, totally different life style. One more thing, Krishna is married with kids I know, but he never bothered about it. He never bothered to drop it. He never bothered to drop it. He was able to leave everything in Dwaraka and straight away come and sit in a chariot as a charioteer for 18 days and run the show, run the show. That is enlightenment. And one more thing, when he says, arey! These 11 crore standing in front of you has no power he means that the negative thought which has no power over you, un-clutch. And eight crore is standing behind you. They are power for you to attack this eleven crore. That is what the positive clutching and seeing. Just see some time so that you will have the confidence and courage to un-clutch from negativity. Third thing both are not going to be alive, the end of the drama. For enlightenment both have to die. That is why this has been made to fight with that and dies. That is what the story says, the purpose of the incarnation of Krishna is to reduce the boobhara. To reduce the weight on your head means to destroy the number of TPS (thoughts per second) on your head. That is the purpose of landing of Krishna on the planet earth.

Q: 13 Can you tell us about Abhimanyu? Abhimanyu can be placed as immature individual consciousness, the son of individual consciousness, who did not have much maturity. Just directly gets into things and directly does something without even bothering. Without the advice of an enlightened master, when your individual consciousness enters into the drama of trying to conquer the negative thoughts, becomes Abhimanyu.

Like personality development Swamiji! Yes, (Swamiji’s laughter), may be! Personality development and Abhimanyu is proper because he listens only to the half. He knows only how to break and go inside. He does not know how to come out. He has got only one initiation, not the whole. You need not only the initiation, the charioteer sitting in front of you and driving your whole chariot for enlightenment. Not just one initiation when you are sleeping.

Q: 14 such a beautiful explanation of the great epic, I have two questions. One from the understanding point of view, the symbolism point of view like renunciating material wealth, the family………,

A: It is not even the material wealth or anything. Maybe I can say un-clutching the fear of losing the wealth. That can be the right interpretation. Un-clutching from the fear of losing is enough. No need to renounce actually. Un-clutching from the fear of losing is okay. That is enough. You don’t need to completely renounce. Doctor now is it clear. (Swamij’s laughter).

Q 15 Such a beautiful way you call it mahakavya, imbibe in the psyche of the whole hindu philosophy, where did the things go wrong, where people …..’

A: Because the right interpretation was not given to people and it was not used for inspiration. That is the thing. One more thing let me answer this Kunti. See Kunti, is the mother of individual consciousness, very innocent; very innocent and she is like a body on which individual consciousness can land but there is no other big role to play. There is no other big role to play that’s all.

Q: 16 the whole psyche of the country how did it get stuck on such a nonsensical meaning of it?

A: I think always these kavyas comes to life when the masters land on the planet earth. Otherwise everything is just skeletons. It is they who add flesh to the bones.

Q: 17 What about Draupadi?

A: Draupadi is an important role, character that we have to now unreel. I can say Draupadi is a maya. Draupadi is a maya who can bind you or liberate you. If she herself is wounded she can take vengeance and drive individual consciousness to liberate you. Till she herself is wounded, she will only bind you means your own idea, desire or greed or fear till it gets depressed, till they themselves get the blast, they will bind you. When they get the blast, depression of success happens. They themselves will drive you to become enlightened. Your home will bind you till the home or you do not realize that it is not the end. At one point your home realizes, neither that is end for you nor you are in for it. Then the same home drives you to become enlightened. Because everyday being there you don’t find any juice, you don’t find anything and it just says get lost quickly. Quickly get enlightened so that you get enlightened and I also get enlightened. So Draupadi is a subtle character of maya. So she can be either binding or inspiring for you to get enlightened. She is the sister of enlightened master, Krishna. She can become a sister and drive individual consciousness to become enlightened. Or she could have even hidden the whole thing from enlightenment. Anything is possible by Draupadi.

Gandhari and all are epic characters. You can’t fix it with enlightenment signs. Only this main thread, you can put it with the enlightened signs.

Q15 not clear..?

A: Your own negativity proves to yourself that it is not going to be useful. Your maya itself gets abused by your negativity. See your negative depressive thoughts stops you from even making money and wealth in the planet earth. Even the outer world success is not happening by your negative thoughts. Then the outer world also gets aye! You are not allowing me to also hold this fellow. Let me take revenge on you. When the fight between your outer world success and your depression starts happening then your seeking starts. Then even the maya starts fighting for you, because even outer world success is not happening then why should these negative thoughts be allowed on you. Chalo! When I can’t enjoy let nobody enjoy the individual consciousness, maya decides. That is vastrabarana.

Q:16 Do you say that based on enlightenment signs, based on what you said, (the Vidhura) possibility exists on anybody no matter what their back ground is.

A: You see I can say that Vidhura is an enlightened mystic who is enlightened by himself but who can’t help anybody and that is why he disappears.

Q:17 Does potentiality exist for anybody and everybody?

A: You see potentiality exists for anybody and everybody. That is true, but what I am saying is Vidhura is like an enlightened mystic. Even Balarama is an enlightened mystic. They can’t be useful for anybody that is why both of them disappear from the war. Both of them disappear from the war, they are not there.

Alright, so beautiful epic and beautiful story. Today where we are going. Ankurtham. It’s a beautiful temple. I read about that temple. It’s a bigger than Ankurvat. The stones used for construction is bigger, its too big, too broad, and not concentrated like this temple. So lot of beautiful things I saw.

Q:18 Swamiji Nadi sastra….,

A: Lemoorean scrolls. See basically few scenes I downloaded. See yesterday in the temple itself I told many things, I was telling Maybe I can put it in few words. The basic stones they got it here itself. And majority of the carving work they have done in Bharat using the gay stones. There are three kinds of stones, male stones, female stones and gay stones. Gay stones are easy to carve, so they used the gay stones and did the carving and brought the whole thing by ship and a few enlightened masters came here, created energy field and assembled the whole temple. And the temple which we went yesterday was supposed to be like a tomb of the king. That is why Vishnu was given more importance. The tombs of the master, Shiva will be given more importance. So yesterday’s temple, Vishnu was the main deity. But in the garbamandir, Shiva was also there. Shiva-linga was also there but Vishnu was main deity because it was king’s Samadhi. If it is master’s Samadhi then Shiva would have been give the top priority.

See, even in Arunachala temple, east facing, in the same garbamandir, east facing Shiva is there. West facing Vishnu is there and north facing Brahma is there and south facing Guru, enlightened master is there, Dakshinamurthy even in Arunachala garbamandir. That is the way it is there. So this temple was also built like that only. East facing Shivalinga, west facing Vishnu, north facing Brahma, and South facing Guru, Dakshinamurthy. We saw the Dakshinamurthy carving yesterday, south facing. Because this was king’s tomb west tower was developed into a big thing. West entrance became the main entrance. So may be the other temples which we are going, if it was master’s tomb it will have east entrance main and that will be the main entrance for the people to enter and worship. These are the few maybe information’s I can add, then the information the guide gave. The guide was telling yesterday that, I was asking, “aye! Tell whatever you know. He said no, no we want to listen from you. They learnt especially the deities names and mythological all those things, that’s a nice they are open. I can say that whatever history as a fact they know, we can ask from them and then we can add the exact thing which happened. Not only that they can take us without missing every place. We will not know what all is there na! That they can do that’s a good job. Already Ahimsa has briefed them, don’t talk much, try to learn. (Swamiji’ loud laughter). That’s why those guys said, “no, no, Swamiji, you tell, we will listen”.

A lady from the audience: “even on the first day in the bus Swamiji, they brought us from the airport itself, they said we are your tour guides but we know that your guru is there and we will not be talking much. And we will also listen to your guru”.

Swamiji I know them from last year. I said when I came ………,

Swamiji: that time itself Ahimsa had planned that I will bring Swamiji here (Swamiji laughs) and she did it. It’s a wonderful thing. Give a good clap for Ahimsa. You see for Ahimsa we need to praise for two things, one for her great work and next thing for shutting Maheshwara! (Swamiji laughs loudly). For both you to give a good clap. Alright anything else, I think we are done.