“A small story: One day early morning, a Zen Buddhist Master...”

A small story: One day early morning, a Zen Buddhist Master... he is an enlightened man, he woke up from the bed. He had thousands of disciples. Suddenly, early morning as soon as he got up from the bed, he started weeping, he started crying aloud. None of his disciples could understand because he's an enlightened man. He used to wipe the tears of thousands of people but suddenly he is weeping, suddenly he is crying. And you do not know what these Zen Masters do!! They are very famous, popular for their mysterious ways of teaching, for their untraditional way of teaching. Suddenly he started crying, weeping and wailing. None of the disciple could understand. Anyhow, one disciple, who is a chief disciple, he went near him and asked, “Master, why are you crying? Why are you weeping?” He said, “Yesterday night, in my dream, I saw that I have become a butterfly and started flying in our garden.” But the disciple could not understand. He said, “Why, it is just a dream, why are you weeping or crying for that now. Just you dreamt as if you have become a butterfly. What is wrong in it? Nothing wrong. It is after all a dream. Why do you weep or cry for that?” He said… this is the statement you should understand. If you understand this one statement you will understand the whole teaching or whole class which you are going to see today. He says, “I do not know whether I have dreamt that I have become a butterfly or that butterfly is dreaming that he has become a Master and sitting in front of you.” Understand - “I do not know whether I dreamt that I have become a butterfly or the butterfly is dreaming now as if it has become a Master and it has got so many disciples.” How can you solve this problem? How can you answer for this question? He says, “I do not know whether I dreamt that I have become a butterfly or that butterfly is dreaming now it has became me.”

Anybody who can answer? Any answer? Any of you have got answer, you can be open, you can come up. Yes.

Participant: inaudible

SPH: No, what I am asking, whether the butterfly is dreaming that it has become a spiritual Master or the Master is dreaming, Master has dreamt that he has become a butterfly. Which is truth? Hmm

Participant: If the person dreams, he is the one who talks about the dream but the person who is in his dream could not have.

SPH: No, in the dream, when he was, when he is butterfly he will be thinking oh I dreamt last night that I became a zen master and I had so many of disciples. What have you got to say about that? He may be telling his friend butterfly or his partner butterfly oh you don’t know last night I dreamt that I became a zen master and I had so many disciples around me in my dream. Hmm.

Participant: Both these thoughts are transient where they start from.

SPH: Hmm at least that is what is the essence of today's class.

Let us enter into the subject. He said rightly “Both the thoughts are transient, both are not permanent.” But do we understand? We always think this is permanent. Wherever we are, we think that it is permanent, we hold on to it, we possess it, we try to identify ourself with it. So what it is, that is what is the gist of this today's class?

See above I have written. Now could you read at least?

Participants: Yes.

SPH: With thoughts, without thoughts. This is with ‘I’ conscious, without ‘I’ conscious. Waking, dreaming, deep sleep; you don't bother about this (Enlightened), this will come last. These 3 you try to understand. Let Me explain. That three if you understand, then the subject will be understood. With thoughts, with ‘I’ conscious - you have two states of mind - one is with thoughts and without thoughts.

Anywhere if you don't understand even one step, please stop Me and question Me; because it is like a step by step. If you understand the whole thing then only you will be able to grasp. It is very subtle but very beautiful teaching. Just this understanding can do lot in your life; can free you from the major depressions and anxieties and fears, can free you from lot of possessiveness and lot of jealousy; it can make your life more joyful. It’s not that you will lose your comforts, it’s not that you will give up your life, no!! It can make you to live more joyful, more blissfully, to take the right decisions in the life.

You have two states of mind - with thoughts and without thoughts. You see, now you have thoughts. In the deep sleep you don't get thoughts. This is the two States of mind. And the same way two States of consciousness. With the consciousness that ‘I’ ‘I’ ‘I’, without that consciousness that ‘I’. Now you have a clear idea about you - the ‘I’ consciousness. You know that your name, you, that your ‘I’. In the deep sleep you don't have that ‘I’, you don't remember that you are, you are somebody. Now you remember that you are somebody, you have an identification. In the deep sleep, you don't have the identification. This is the two States of consciousness. This is the two States of mind – with thoughts, without thoughts, with ‘I’ conscious without ‘I’ conscious. All of you understand this one subject? Anybody who has not please raise your hands.

Now, this two states of consciousness and this two states of mind, they both overlap on each other and create totally four states of your Being, 4 states of your Being - 2 States of consciousness and 2 States of mind. Actually you have mind and the Being, mind and the consciousness. 2 States of consciousness and 2 States of mind overlaps on each other and create 4 states of your Being. Let Me explain how they overlap and how they create states of your mind or your Being.

With thoughts and with ‘I’ conscious it is called waking state. Now you are waking, you are in the wakeful state. You have thoughts also and ‘I’ conscious also; that you know you are somebody, you are son of somebody, daughter of somebody, your name, your position, your properties, your job, your business - you have the ‘I’ conscious also, you have the thoughts also. This is called waking state - 'jagrat'- in Sanskrit they call it as a jagrat, wakeful state.

The next thing, in the dream state you have thoughts. In the dream thoughts will be there, but you don't have a solid ‘I’ consciousness, you don't have solid ‘I’ consciousness. Now you may be a male of 50 years old but in the dream you may be dreaming yourself as a 25 years boy; in the dream you don't have solid ‘I’ conscious. With thoughts but without ‘I’ conscious is called dreaming.

The third state without thoughts and without ‘I’ conscious. In the deep sleep, in the deep sleep... it is called sushupti in Sanskrit - susushpti. You neither have consciousness, nor you have thoughts - this is called deep sleep - Sushupti. Jagrat, Swapna, Sushupti. Swapna means dream, sushupti means deep sleep, jagrat means the wakeful state. the waking state.

All of you understand the 3 states? Anybody who has not? You could follow? This is the 3 states of your Being. You all know only these 3 states. Let you understand this 3 states then I will come for the fourth state. The last portion we will see. Any of you have got any question about these 3 things you can ask Me; the subject which I explained. Because this is a basic understanding every student of spirituality or every student of life; not only spirituality, every student of life needs to understand this.

Participant: In the dream when we say ‘with thoughts’ whose thoughts are they? Is it the dreamer or thoughts of the person who is living?

SPH: In the dream state both are one and the same. In the dream state you don't have the different identity - that one person is dreaming, the other person is sleeping. You understand? That one person is dreaming the other person is in the dream state – that differentiation will not be there. In the dream, you will have only one identity – that you are seeing, that’s all; not even you are dreaming. When you understand that you are dreaming, immediately you will see, you will wake up from the dream state. If you have observed, whenever you come to a thought that you are dreaming, immediately you will wake up from the dream. Whenever you see a lion in the dream, or a elephant in the dream, or dangerous dreams, immediately the first thought will come – ‘I am dreaming’. You will wake up. So as long as you don't have that two person – the person who is dreaming and the person who is seeing, if you don't have the two different identities, you can carry on the dreaming. When you understand - ‘No, I am just dreaming. What is happening, who is seeing is not me’, you wake up. You understand what I mean? When you understand that you are dreaming, immediately you come back to wakeful state.

He asked a clear question. It means he's thinking about this. Any other question? Ok.

We have three layers of our Being. These are the three layers. In the first layer, in the first state – jagrat – the waking state, you use this body, you use this body. The second layer, the dreaming state, you use one more body called sookshma sharira – subtle body; you use the one more body called sookshma sharira - subtle body. See, you will be sleeping in Los Angeles in your house but suddenly in dream you will see that you are in Bharat, with your parents, with your relatives. How you feel you are in Bharat? With some body only you feel that you are seeing all of them. The body which you use in the dream state, the body which you think you have in the dream state is called sookshma sharira.

The third body is called Kaarana sharira – which you use in the deep sleep state. It is conscious [waking], it is subconscious [dreaming], it is unconscious [deep sleep]. Conscious – Subconscious – Unconscious. Whatever desires or the thoughts, unfulfilled in the consciousness, goes to subconscious. It’s like, if you fast for one week without food, you will see exactly the dream in the night as if you are having a big feast or party. Any of you have fasted? Then you will understand what I say is totally truth.

The same way, anything you suppress, anything you suppress, immediately you will see that, that is happening in the dream state; that directly projects itself, expresses itself in the dream state. If you are afraid of something, for example, if you are afraid of snake in the conscious state, whenever the thought of snake comes you suppress it. If you see somewhere the drawing of snake, you don't allow your mind to proceed behind that drawing; immediately you turn your face. If you see somewhere something which you are afraid, immediately you turn your face; you don’t allow the mind to think about it. Whatever you suppress, whatever you don't look, whatever you try to avoid, everything directly goes to subconscious and it comes out in the dream state.

Same way, if you.... if your boss is firing you, if your principal, school principal is misbehaving with you, if your school principal is torturing you too much, you wanted to give back, you wanted to fire him, you wanted to punish him, you will not be able to do in the conscious state. What you do? You suppress; you suppress your anger. In the dream you will see, you will be taking the revenge, you will be taking the revenge. Your suppressed anger comes out in the dream.

In the same way sex; when you avoid seeing a woman, exactly you will see that woman, same woman in the dream. Anything suppressed, it comes up in the dream. Anger, sex, violence, anything suppressed, it comes up from the sub consciousness; it comes up from the dream state.

The next level - deep sleep or the Kaarana shareera - the unconsciousness. Here, your all the processing takes place only in the unconsciousness. All process about your body, your mind, your structure, your thinking system, everything happens only in the unconsciousness. Whatever data you collect, everything just goes to unconsciousness. Actually, we can say, this is like the memory - whatever you collect, whatever you see, psychologists say - if you see hundred things you look only two things. Please understand the difference between seeing and looking. If you see hundred things, you look only two things. If hundred things are happening around you, you observe, you take in only two things. It means, all the hundred things go to unconscious but in the conscious level only two things are expressed.

A small incident which has happened actually. I had a driver. He was driving for Me more than 6 months in Bangalore. We have Ashram outside Bangalore, outskirts of the Bangalore we have Ashram. Inside city we have a City Center. Every day I visit City Centre. He takes Me from City Centre to the Ashram and from Ashram to the City Centre every day. One day I wanted to go somewhere; between the City Center and the Ashram there is a big Mosque. Next to that mosque there is a road; through that road I wanted to go. I told My driver, “You see when you get down from the Mysore Bridge, there is a big mosque. Please take right in the next road and go to a place where I wanted to go.” He says, “Mosque? I have never seen any mosque there.” I told him, “No, no, as soon as you get down from the Mysore Road Bridge there is a mosque.” He said, “No, for last 6 months I am driving you Swamiji. I have never seen any mosque.” I told him, “Do you know Mysore Bridge?” He said, “Yes.” “Do you know when you get down from the Mysore Bridge what comes?” “I know” he said “Yes” “Do you know before Kengeri what comes?” He said “Yes.” “There only the mosque is there.” “What Swamiji, I am telling you there is no mosque.” Then finally I told him, “As soon as you get down from the Mysore Bridge what do you see?” He said, “There is a Anjaneya Temple. That I see.” I told him, “Alright. You take next road from that Anjaneya Temple.” Then I told him, “From that Anjaneya Temple, the same road only, you please take the next turn. He said, “You tell that way Swamiji, I can understand very clearly. There is Anjaneya Temple; but what do you say that mosque, mosque, mosque?” But I tell you the Mosque is 5 times bigger than that Anjaneya Temple. Both are there opposite to each other. When I said Anjaneya Temple immediately he said, “Yes, yes, yes, I can recognize that road Swamiji. What you say is perfectly right. Yes I can take you that road. Through that road we can reach where you want to go.”

The mosque is five times bigger than the Anjaneya Temple. That man goes through the same road every day. He comes and goes through the same road. He could very clearly remember the Anjaneya Temple which is very small but he could not recollect the mosque which is so big, which is such big. Just because of his Hindu conditioning he sees the temple but not the mosque. He sees the temple and the mosque, both, but he looks only the temple; the mosque is not recorded, mosque is not in his conscious state. Then what happens to all the memories? Whatever you see, your eyes are seeing them. Whatever you see, everything is taken as a memory into the unconsciousness. Only what you want to handle, those datas, those details, are brought to consciousness. Whatever you see, whatever you listen, whatever you hear, everything goes back to unconscious state. Mosque - Temple - Church everything will be recorded in the unconscious state. But what you want to use, what you think as useful for your life, only those details, those datas, those memories, are brought to conscious state.

This story can tell you how much the conditioning plays a role in your life. In many places you can see, through the same road you will be crossing, the casino will fall in your eyes, but not the shop or the temple. If you are atheist, temple will never fall in your eyes. If you are theist except temple nothing will fall in your eyes. According to your mental conditioning some things fall in your eyes, some things never.

The same way, even in your life, all your ideas about the other person, all your ideas about the other person, it is just according to your conditioning. You see, in the house we never live together. We live in one place but we never live together. Only first few months you live with your husband or your wife at the time of marriage. Once the honeymoon is over, you never live with your husband or with your wife. By the time 6 months you live, you create a idea about him or about her. After that 6 months you live only with that idea; you never live with the real person. Whatever he does you look through only that conditioning. Whatever she does you look only through that conditioning. Through that conditioning only you look at him or at her. Only through that conditioning, her deeds or her acts or her words are judged. You don't see the whole person. If he does hundred things, you remember only two things which you want to remember; not everything else. Every day she will be serving from morning till night, you don't remember that. One day the coffee fell on you, only you remember very clearly that. No!! Because you already conditioned yourself.

It’s like you know, you read a hundred page novel. After reading, only random two page you got in your hands; other 98 pages are lost. After a week or 10 days you try to reconstruct the whole novel from this two page. How much it will be true to the original? How much it will be true to the original novel? Never. Just the same way, in your life also, all the hundred incidents reaches the unconsciousness. What two incident which you want to handle, only those two incident, according to your conditioning comes up. From that two incident you handle the other person. That is why you never look into each other's eyes. You may be living years together but count the moments of facing each other. How many times per day you look into each other’s eyes? 24hours you live together. But you count how many times you look into each other’s eyes directly and relate? You don't need two hands to count, one hand is enough!! Because we live with only the prejudice. We live only with the conditionings; not with the real person. This is unconscious where all your memories are stored. This is conscious; from here only you take few datas which you want to use, few details with which you want to live your life.

These are the 3 states of your Being. Now, as on now we handle only one state. Only one state is under your control. Only one body is under your control. You have three bodies but only one body is under your control. Other two bodies are not under your control. That is why, the quality to enjoy the world is very less. Somebody asked Me, I went to... the other day to the Universal Studio, “Swamiji, why did you go there? What Swami has got to do with Universal Studio? What can you enjoy? You are a Swami, you are a Sannyasi.” I told them, “Fool, you have a total misunderstanding about the Sannyas. Sannyas is the ultimate luxury a man can have.” Enlightenment is the ultimate luxury a man can have. You do not know the value of enlightenment. Enlightenment is the ultimate luxury a man can have. When you see a rose, how much you see, how much you enjoy, at least three times more I enjoy the same rose. The rose is more rosy for Me, the green is more green for Me, the life is more living for Me, because I live with 3 bodies. You live only with one body. You understand? Now if I say, ‘please raise your right hand’, all of you will raise your right hand; because this body is under your control. If I say, bring your mind and concentrate on the third eye, on your forehead, can you concentrate? No, you cannot; because the second body, the Subtle body is not in your control, it is not in your control. Third body is not in your control. Only this one body is under your control. If the third body is under your control, any moment you can switch off and sleep. But the sleep is very big problem! If it comes it comes, otherwise you don't have. You cannot control your sleep. Whenever you want you cannot wake up and whenever you want you cannot sleep.

If you live around Me; the people who live around Me, you can talk to them and understand. People will be asking Me; actually I sleep only, hardly an hour or two. Morning, early morning 5:30 you can see Me walking in the ashram and around 2:30 you can see Me going into my room; from 5:30 to 2:30 My routine, day routine happens. And morning when I come out of My room, lot of written work will come out with Me, the written papers for the next day's work. They ask Me, “Swamiji what happens? We see you throughout the day and only hardly you are in the room few hours and so much of written papers are also coming out when you come out. Do you bring it from somewhere else? How does it happen?” Because the third body is under My control. If the third body is under your control, you don't need much time for sleeping. Your sleep, the quantity will reduce, the quality will increase. The quality of your sleep will be very deep, but the quantity will not be too long. The time can be shortened and the quality can be deepened. Now this two body is not under your control. This two body is not under your control. You have only one body under your control.

If I say, concentrate your mind and keep it on your forehead, you cannot. Only one body is under your control. It means God has given you hundred acre land, only 33.3 acres are useful; other 66, other 67 acres are not used. It is there empty, barren, lying as a desert. Your life, you live only with 33%. An enlightened man lives his life with hundred percent. Then you can understand enlightenment is the ultimate luxury a man can have. You see when 66% of your Being is not under your control what you can live?

A normal person, even if he goes to Universal Studio, unless his mind is joyful, he cannot enjoy it. And your mind, in the elated mood or the depressed mood is not under your control; anything can make you depressed and even without anything you can be depressed. Once you master the art of worrying you don't need to have any reason. You see in the starting only you need some outside reason to be worrying or depressed. After sometime you master that art. If everything goes well also, you start thinking, ‘Today everything is going well, I don't know tomorrow something bad is going to happen.’ No that is what people think. See if everything goes well today, what you think immediately? ‘Tomorrow something bad is going to happen, that is why today things are going well.’ Once you Master the art of worrying, you don't need anything else and simply you are in the state of worrying; you are in the habit of depressed. So when this second body... subtle body is the master for depression, if you have not mastered this second body how can you be joyful?

I have seen people say ‘ohhh! Marriage, what beautiful moment it is.’ You always praise the past moments as beautiful moments. You say the college life, so beautiful. When you are in college you say the young age is so beautiful. After marriage you say, the marriage moment is so beautiful. But when you are living, at that moment what you feel? You have 1000 worries, you have 1000 moods. Only in the photograph you enjoy those moments. When you are living, why people take the photographs you know? Because they know only by photographs they can enjoy. Only from photographs you enjoy. Your whole life you can see, you enjoy all your past incidents by seeing the photograph; but when you lived that moment what was your mood? Analyse. What is your mood now, only this was the mood when you lived that moment also. But you again and again think, no other way. You console yourself by seeing the photograph that you had very beautiful moments, you had blissful moments. As long as this two bodies comes under your control, as long as these two bodies are not under your control, how can you live the life? How can you live totally? The quality in which you live totally differs. The joy, the ecstasy, which happens to you becomes totally different when these two bodies are brought under your control.

They say, in a Zen there is a beautiful meditation called tea ceremony. It is nothing but enjoying a cup of tea; nothing else, just enjoying a cup of tea. They say the enjoying a cup of tea can give you enlightenment. They say it can give you enlightenment. How you know? First they handle, they bring all the three body under your control and then they start enjoying the cup of tea. It is not that they say, I say from My experience. I have did that meditation. A simple, ordinary tea which every day you drink, you don't drink actually, you pour it and close. We actually don't drink. We don't eat or... we don't drink or we don't eat. Actually we don't eat or drink. We just open the mouth, throw inside and close it and wipe the mouth; that's all, nothing else. When you really enjoy, then you will understand what it means. I felt as if My whole Being is drinking that tea.

See the food which is going to give a vital energy to you, which is going to give energy to you, that is going inside but you don't feel satisfied; you feel only the hunger and thirst. Do you feel the satisfaction after the food? When you can feel the hunger and thirst, you must be able to feel the satisfaction also. Am I right? But do you? NO!! And what for you eat, tell Me, what for you eat? To have the energy, am I right? To have the energy. After food do you feel energetic? After food everybody feels like…. then what it means?

See, the sun is rising to give light but when the sun raise you feel that darkness has entered into you, your life. Then what it means, something basically problem. Somewhere some basic problem. That is what here. When you had your food you feel tiredness. You feel like as if you want to rest; because you don't eat with all your 3 bodies; you don't enjoy anything with your whole Being. You enjoy only...with only one body. I say, by understanding this, don't think you will leave this world. I say you will live the world, you will live the life more intensely.

If you want to have more joy, Tantra says, I do not know how you will take, but it’s a truth. I give you the statement; it's little bold statement. He says, only a man who has got all these three body under his control, will know what is actually a relationship means. Otherwise you can have only kids. But you do not know what is really relationship means. It is a very frightening statement. Actually in the meditation course, in our 2 days course, there is one session on sex; one session on sex and muladhara Chakra. Somebody asked Me “You are a Sannyasi, you are enlightened person, how can you talk about that subject? What do you know about that subject?” A elderly man, an elderly man who is more than 60 years, he asked, he told Me, that if he talks about that subject he can talk, he has got authority, he knows. How can you talk about that subject? I told him, of course very politely, no other way, ‘you know only reproduce, you do not know what is relationship.’

A small example can explain: an ordinary man knows how to switch on the light. He knows if you put on the light, the light will give you the light. If you switch it on, you will see the light, if you switch it off you will not see the light; there will be darkness. Ordinary man knows only this much. Only an electrician will know the circuit; what is happening behind the whole scene. For electrician there is no need to come and switch on every light and see what is happening. There is no need for him to come and experiment, there is no need for him to come and live each and every switch. But he knows what will happen by what; because he is the electrician he knows the circuit. The same way, ordinary man knows, ‘only if you switch on it will burn, if you switch off it will stop’. That much only you know, that much only ordinary man knows. But once a man brings all his 3 body under his control, it is not necessary for Me to go and switch on and see, it is not necessary for Me to go and live and see. But only a Master knows the circuit, only electrician knows the circuit; Master knows a total circuit. Only when you have mastered your 3 bodies you become a Master. Only then you will know a real relationship.

That’s why in Bharat there is a habit - before a man enters into the householder life, the grihastha, he will be trained into a spiritual life. The western philosopher, they question, “Why a man should be trained into spirituality before he tastes the life, before he enters into the Grihastha life, the householder life. First you should undergo the grihastha life then only he should go for spirituality. First you should enjoy then only you should go for a spirituality.” Always the Western philosophers have got the idea that why it is the other way in Bharat? But the Eastern mystics they say, unless you have all the three bodies under your control, you cannot even enjoy the world. To enjoy the world, to really feel the life, you need these 3 bodies under your control. Unless these 3 bodies are under your control, whatever you may have, house, bungalow, wife, kids, everything, you will enjoy only with one body. The depth of enjoyment is very less.

Rose is more rosy when you bring your these 3 bodies under your control. Green becomes more green when you bring these 3 bodies under your control. Life becomes more living when you bring these bodies under your control. That is the reason they say before entering into the life understand your Being, understand your Being; then you will see life becomes a ultimate luxury. Even a cup of coffee you will enjoy; if you really enjoy a cup of coffee with your whole Being, you will see it is nothing but Amrita, nothing but Amrit. Nectar means, don't think some where you will be given that, no. When you put your whole Being, then, what you eat, what you enjoy becomes Amrit. The smell which you smell around your garden becomes Parijatha vriksha; what is told in the heaven, what is told about the heaven.

It is not that the spirituality is necessary to renounce the world, no; it is a very wrong idea. It is not for renunciation, it is for living. When you enter into these 3 bodies, when this 3 body comes under your control, you live so intensely, you go beyond. There is a beautiful Sutra in Vijnana Bhairava Tantra - only once, only once a man really relates with the other, you will see he goes beyond the relationship. He goes beyond the relationship. It is not that he will not relate but he is beyond relationship. If he wants he relates otherwise he relaxes. The relationship will not be a pressure on him. It will not be a torture on him. We use the word hormonal torture. The pull or the push towards the life will not be there. You will see only then a man really enjoys the life. When these 3 bodies are brought under your control you will see what actually life is, what actually living means.

Now we will understand what is meant by the fourth state. What is meant by the word ‘Awakened state’. I wanted before, this 3 states all of you understand? Any question?

Participant: inaudible

SPH: In the deep sleep state, the body is there, you cannot remember the form or the shape of that body when you come to these two states. You understand? Actually there is a little bit of similarity between these two States [waking and dream]; between these two states there is little bit of similarity. That is why you remember your dream state body. See, what you see in the wakeful state, the same thing only you see in the dream state; little bit altered this way, that way. If you see in the wakeful state elephant with one trunk, in the dream state, 10 trunks. But same way, what you saw here only will be there, multiplication, you understand; either multiplication of subtraction, a little bit of alteration. Whatever you see here (waking) only will be seen here (dream). That is the reason you remember about this body (dream) in the wakeful state. But this [deep sleep] is totally a different state. You will not be able to remember what body, which type of body you have in the deep sleep. In the deep sleep also you have a body, but it is so different plane, you will not be able to remember. Once you do the meditation, once you bring this deep sleep body under your control, then you will be able to understand. It will be like, I can say from my experience, it will be like a vague color.

If you are a peaceful person, you will see your Karana shareera, the deep sleep body as White. If you are a person continuously in the inertness, you will see it is black. If somebody who is a workaholic, they will see their deep sleep body as red.

It will be like color, just a piece of color; that is what the deep sleep body. But you will be able to see only when you meditate and enter deeply into your layers. Now you will not be able to remember it.

Any other question? OK.

You see, around the world there are so many religions. Each and every religion has got its own concept about the life, it's own concept about the death, it's own concept about the marriage, it's own concept about the giving birth to kids, its own idea about how to eat-what to eat-what to wear and everything each one has got their own idea, their own concept. On one thing almost all the mystics they agree, all the mystics they agree only one word, only one statement. There is one statement you can find from all the great works of all the religions; from the Bible, from the Quran, from Gita, from Guru Granth Sahib, from all the great books you can find one statement. That is - man is asleep. Man is asleep. From all the Masters; Jesus says it, Buddha says it, Krishna says it, Guru Gobind Singh says it, Mohammad says it, everybody; they say - MAN IS ASLEEP.

What it means, what actually it means? You see, when all the Masters, they agree on one point it cannot be said as a false and it is very difficult to make all these Masters agree on one point!! There is a shloka in Vedas: ‘If two rishis agree with each other, please be careful, someone is fake, someone is fake!!’ It actually says if two rishis agree with one another please be very sure someone is fake; because each one will express their enlightenment in different way, because enlightenment is a unique flower. It is unique flower. It is not equal… unique, unique flowers... each Master is a unique flower.

So, people come and ask Me, in My native place, there is a place called Tiruvannamalai in South Bharat. I am born and brought up there. There is a belief, not belief, it is a truth, in the history of that city it is written that Shiva himself promises - in three forms he will be available to the world –

One is in the Shiva Linga which is in the temple, the deity which is in the temple.

Second is that hillock - there is a beautiful hillock on that city, in that city... second is that hillock.

Third is an Enlightened Master from that place.

He will be available to the world in three forms – one is that deity in the temple, another one is the hillock, third is an Enlightened Master from that place. So people consider that lineage first. First Seshadri Swamigal, then Ramana Maharshi, then Ram Surat Kumar the one more Swami. Now people consider Me.

Somebody used to come and ask Me, “Swamiji, Ramana Maharshi was just sitting silently and not doing anything. You are going around the world spreading meditation. Why?” I always tell them, “Enlightenment means not imitating somebody else. You become a flower on your own, you become unique.” I tell them, “When Ramana became enlightened, that is his enlightenment; he expresses in that way. When I became enlightened, this is the way it expresses.” So enlightenment expresses. I tell them, it is not that I am possessing enlightenment. If I possess enlightenment, I can act as I want, but enlightenment is possessing Me. It is not that I am possessing it. If you possess something, then you will behave as people want; but I am not possessing it, that is possessing Me. So enlightened people are unique flowers. Each one blossoms in their own way. You cannot, you cannot make them agree in one point. But on this one step, on this one point, everybody agrees. What it means – Man is fast asleep?

Buddha explains, Buddha gives a beautiful explanation. He says, “You dream even while you are awake, while you are in the wakeful state.” Just relax in a easy chair, close your eyes and you will find in 2-3 minutes that you are dreaming. It is not that you need to go for sleeping, no!! Don't fall asleep, just relax in your chair, close your eyes, just be there 1 or 2 minutes, you will see, the dreams are going on. It is called day dreaming. Continuously dreams are going on in your system. Continuously dreams are going on in your system; either you are awake or you are dreaming.

It is like stars in the sky. In the night time you can see the stars. In the daytime you can't see; because you can't see, can you say the stars have disappeared? Can you say the stars have disappeared? No!! They are there. If you go into the deep well, from that well if you see, you can see the stars. If you get down into the deep well; without water, please don't get into the well which has got water!!! 😀 If you get into the well which has no water; in Bharat you can see dry wells in the villages. If you get in the deep wells, some 40 feet 50 feet wells, from there if you see the sky, you can see the stars. A certain darkness is necessary to see the stars otherwise you can't see the stars. Just because you can't see the stars don't think there is no stars. The same way, when you sleep you see dreams because your activities are not there. You don't have day to day activities, so you see the dream. When you are in the wakeful state, because of your routine, your continuous work, you don't see the dreams going on; but it is going on. All of you understand?

Because, what I am speaking is, everything is happening in your life. It is all the truths which you are facing, experiencing in your life. You see, if I speak on some ritual or some religious things, there is no need for you to understand; if you simply follow that’s enough. There is no need to understand. But I am not speaking about some ritual or some God or some religion.

People come and ask Me, “Swamiji please teach me how can I see, how can I love, how can I have devotion, how can I have love for that 18 handed Kali; that ashta dasha MahaLakshmi Durga Devi?” She is now famous in Tamil Nadu and South Bharat. She is now popular. People come and ask Me, “Swamiji, how can I see her? How can I have love for her? Please teach me.” I tell them, “Fool, first go and try to have love for your two handed wife. First try to go and live beautifully, happily with your two handed wife. Then you can have love for the 18 handed woman.” We don't understand the two handed wife or two handed husband, how to live with them, but we want to have the love for the 18 handed Kali. You cannot manage the two handed woman, how can you manage the 18 handed woman? First come to the life and see your experiences, have deepest possible understanding about your life, then you can go for religion or God or anybody. If you can't love your neighbor, if you can't love your family persons, how can you love the God which you have never seen? If you can't love the persons whom you are seeing every day, how can you love the person whom you have never seen? All your love for God is a simple fantasy. Be very clear, please don’t mistake me, I am telling few truths in a very hard way but no other way. Even if it hurts, truth is truth, how long you can hide your eyes. All our love for God is nothing but simple fantasy.

There is a great Master, there was a great Master George Gurdjieff, but when you speak about the Masters you cannot use the word ‘was’. You can use only the word ‘is’ because they are ‘always’, they don't die. They may leave the body but they don't die. George Gurdjieff, have you heard of him? He was in the Russia. George Gurdjieff, a great Enlightened Master from the west. He had a disciple P. D Ouspensky, who is a great philosopher. Ouspensky goes to George Gurdjieff and asks him, “Master, teach me how can I become Buddha. How can I become awakened, how can I become enlightened?” Then Master says, Master gives a beautiful meditation technique which we will be doing today. The technique is from, developed from George Gurdjieff. We will be doing that meditation. He gives him that meditation technique and tells him, “You cannot leave this house for next 3 months. Continuously you should do this meditation, continuously you should do this meditation for 3 months.” And he is really a highly qualified disciple, a sincere disciple. He leaves all his job, work, everything and 3 months he does that meditation, continuously. After that meditation, after 3 months, Gurdjieff says, “Now you come out, let us go for a walk.” He walks into the town where they were staying. Ouspensky says, “I feel everybody is asleep. I don't want to come into this city anymore. I feel everybody is totally drugged, everybody is drunk.

Anyhow, you have dreams, whether you sleep or whether you are awakeful state, whether you are in the wakeful state. Both the time continuously you are dreaming. In the night times you understand that you are dreaming because you don't have activity. In the daytime you have activity because of that you don't understand you are dreaming. But both the state you are continuously dreaming. That is why, that is what they mean when they say ‘Man is asleep’. (00:58:38)