“Swamiji: For example, when you come and asked - “I should win a…”

Swamiji: For example, when you come and asked - “I should win a lottery, one crore.” You are very clear, you’ll come next time and tell me that it is not happen. So with that mental set-up, if he comes - What really he’s asking? What I’m asking should not happen. So I said, “Tathastu, let it be”. Then, it will not happen. Understand. Sometime, you’ll use these are all very subtle point. These are important catching point. Many fellows, they use their seeking to constantly prove to themself, the system is wrong.

Questioner no 1: By system is wrong, what, what does….

Swamiji: Means err… I’ll did what Swamiji said but did not work out. I did what scripture say, it did not work out. So, we start using our er...passion for that. So that naturally means the passion is not complete. Let use...understand - use your passion to align your actions towards the passion and you’ll just see things are happening. If it is not happening, question your passion, not anything else. That is why I said passions. The mindset questioning all other things need passions. The mindset which is aligning your actions need passion, your two mindsets. Usually always do the opposite. We use the passion to question everything else. Use passions to align your action into the passion. (Swamiji laughing). All of you understand what I am saying? Exactly the point. I think I got that thread. You understand what I am saying? I think this point even in the discourse, I didn’t express.

Mmm….Usually, whenever people come and ask me, “I am really passionate but things are not happening” means they are using their passion to question the system, not to align their actions; which is supposed to be the opposite. Use the passion to align your actions towards that passion and the mind which constantly question the system; have passions for that part - you have two part. So, one part needs passions which is constantly questioning everything else. One part needs passion which is aligning all your actions and the whole process towards the system. And we do usually opposite. Mmm… chalo, come on.

Questioner no 1: Your satsang on err… vitarka, er, kurtaka, vitarka and tarka…..

Swamiji: Tarka, kurtaka, vitarka…….Mmm

Questioner no 1: That, that helped quite a bit because I could find that the,...

Swamiji: Let me tell you, actually when a man has a virtaka, I see very clearly between me and him like a tunnel of energy. When he comes near me, I know that like a tunnel of energy there between him and me, like a bridge. So, when I give, let it happen in you; like a, just like a ball, the, er, energy flows into him. That when, whenever a person with virtaka comes around me, it was such a joy to be around that person. That was just joy to be around that person. See, in my whole drama, in my whole leela, you all enjoy my shakti. I enjoy your bhakti. That’s the whole leela. (disciples/devotees/followers clapped) And that’s why the whole leela happens. Whenever the person with, see vitarka means having the breath, broad logic which accommodates and ready to accept even the things which are not taught to you in the school. You understand. There is a clear definition. The school is not the place of perfect education. Do not think you know about some subject if you have a post doctorate degree.

Questioner no 1: Who is not …...

Swamiji: There is something…..huh

Questioner no 1: Who actually not a good place of education I would say…..

Swamiji: Tsk…So that is the definition of vitarka. School and the society is not the place to give you the complete education. The vitarka is like opening a new channel. Understand. It’s like - you have a tv, you have only 7 channel. And if suddenly some new connection is given, you have hundred channel. Vitarka is like that. When I say the devatas, celestial beings are here, I am not lying. You understand? Just I’m seeing. They are all here. With the same excitement which you guys are having. “When, what will happen? Who is going to achieve what? They are all just hanging around. No, really. But, what to do? Guys with the vitarka can straight away catch, “Yes, he is right”. When she said, “It’s like Kailash”, it’s not, she’s praising. Please be very clear - innocent faith is not writing - intelligent faith. Tssskkk, tssskkk, tssskkk, tssskkk, tssskkk, tssskkk, tssskkk, tssskkk, ssskkk….innocent faith. Please be very clear, ignorance cannot be forgiven just because you give the title “Innocence” to it. Many time, our ignorance we’ll label it. If somebody else is innocent, he is ignorant. If we are ignorant, it is innocence.

Questioner no 1: But faith should be blind or …..

Swamiji: Huh??

Questioner no 1: The faith is always blind, isn’t it?

Swamiji: Faith is intelligence. Gopis had such a strong faith on Krishna because of their intelligence - their vitarka. So the faith based on tarka is not complete. It can be broken at anytime. If it can be broken, it is faith based on tarka, not vitarka. (Swamiji laughing). On kurtaka, faith never grows. Hmm…..and faith based on tarka only can be broken. It must be ignorant faith, not innocence faith. Ignorant faith is always dangerous, not only for you, for me also. (Swamiji laughing) I don’t accept the ignorant faith guys around me. All the people whom I err... pick up and keep around me, they are intelligent faith.

Questioner no 1: From, from one of your discourse, you mention that if you have a doubt, eer, surrender it to me. If you have a faith, surrender it to me.

Swamiji: Hmm...then the vitarka faith will happen.

Questioner no 1: Thank you, Swamiji.

Swamiji: Huh…You internalised that and start putting questions. Many of the pins can be removed. Many pins can be removed, just with that one vitarka. I can say, that was one of the important breakthrough message from me. No where you will find that definition. Understand, when Narada curses, it happens. When Brahma gives boon, it happens. In our tradition, we did thousands of stories. Even a chaste wife, when she gives a boon, it happens. When err she curses, it happens. Savitri, she can just stops sun. Ordinary girl. She says, “Hey, don’t raise”. It is not raising. How come? Why all those things have not, are not lifestyle now? Today mor, somebody was asking, “When the vedic lifestyle was taken away from the masses?” Today, I was answering the question, hmm. When the vitarka was disconnected, that was the time when the Vedic lifestyle is not part of mass.

Even when you guys go and tell outside, there’s a small boy, we are 32 year old and we were sitting at his feet for 3 months. They’ll laughed at you. Because many of you guys are 10 times more educated than me, and surely, many of your elders, not only elders, many of you are my grandfather’s age and... almost 90% of you are my father’s age. And if you guys go out and tell, 3 months you are sitting at his feet. And this fellow what all he was telling, you guys are doing. What’s going on? So, the vitarka channel open. So, Vedic tradition was taken away from mass when vitarka channel was closed. When that vitarka transmission was broken, it was very systematically broken. Ermm, few, few thousand years ago. Understand. When we started thinking, “I think Ramayana is not exactly as it happened. I think Mahabharata is only a methodological story”, vitarka is lost. Please be very clear, everything - Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagavata, literally true. 10:24 There was a war with atomic weapon. Understand. Now all the scientific atomic weapon, flight - everything is based on light waves. Everything is electricity, light waves. The Vedic tradition was using all these things same way based on sound waves - mantra. The whole cosmo is sound waves and light waves. The science is light wave based. They are able to reproduce it without the help of the mind. The light wave based things does not need the cooperation of your mind. But the sound wave based things need the cooperation of your mind. So, that is why this was lost. Otherwise, we had flight, atomic weapons, train, whatever you call as a gift of the science, we had. But the whole thing was based on the sound wave technology. That was based on, now the whole thing whatever science is, is, is all based on the light wave technology means - electronics. Electrical electronics. The whole thing is light wave based technology. You are able to relate to what I am saying?

This whole thing is sound wave based technology. That is why, you see in this sound wave based technology, needs a person’s mind also to be in tuned. You see, when er, Ravana had the Pushpak Vimana, it was a sound wave based technology. He sits and utters few words, and it’ll lifts. Creates a some sound and it flies. Now, if a pilot sits and sends electronic signals - the electrical energy, the light wave energy to some parts, it picks up and it flies.

Same way, when Ravana sits, maybe he has to put his hands on some part and create the light, the sound wave -

शं नो मित्रः शं वरुणः। शं नो भवत्वर्यमा। शं न इन्द्रो बृहस्पतिः। śaṁ no mitraḥ śaṁ varuṇaḥ | śaṁ no bhavatvaryamā | śaṁ na indro bṛhaspatiḥ |

Flight will pick up. The waves reaches through the system and it picks up. And it maintains some sound, Hreem, Hreem, Hreem, that wave, it moves. The whole thing was sound wave, sound wave based technology. For this to be constantly reproduced and to operate, that knowledge needs the cooperation of the mind. So, these guys took care very clearly, the next generation mind does not cooperate with that technology. So, so the whole infrastructure is waste. The whole infrastructure is waste. That is what happen exactly. Now, suddenly the science of sending electrical signals, the light wave into the flight; if it is lost, the whole infrastructure, all the airports all over the world, all the aircrafts built is waste. And you say, ”No, no, no….people are telling lie, there was a time when the aircraft was flying”. Suddenly, they say, “No, no, no...there was never a time aircraft was flying”. That is what now these guys are telling that was never a time where Pushpakarma was flying. It was, it was.

I know experientially. I know experientially. Not only that, you see the Brahmastra which Arjuna had - sound wave based. He takes it and utters that, those sound waves, charges it and leaves; it just goes and explode as a atomic bomb. That atom bomb sound wave based, not uranium based. Uranium based means electrical. That light wave based. This is sound wave based. The whole thing is, that’s all. The light wave based does not need your cooperation but the sound wave, light wave; ah, I can say in this way - light wave based, your logic cooperation is enough. So, the whole civilization of light wave based is logic based. Developing logic. Th, er, pilot needs to be taught how to move, this, that, this, that; everything - logic based. Reproducible without that development of the heart or the being. But our system was reproducible only with that develop the beings. Because developed the beings was lifestyle for us.

Any being born, brought up in the tradition - by the age of fourteen is a developed being. So we don’t have to have separate structure to create developed beings. So it was systematically broken. First, the developed beings’ system - how to create the developed beings? Stop that, eradicate that. Then, er, stop the technology, then the whole infrastructure is waste. Otherwise, why do you think such huge temples all over the country? Do you know in this country, we are one crore temples and ashrams? Our whole population is only 1.2 billion means 120 crore. It means each 120 person has one temple or the ashram. And, the Swamis and the preachers who dedicated their whole life to the er, er to protect this, to live this dharma - one crore people. I am not talking about the people who don’t have address, the, the Swamis who are wondering in the streets and begging and eating, sleeping under the trees, no. Address, who has address, track record; back the backing documentation - who he is. That kind of Swamis, one crore. Of course, when I say, Swami, Swamis, priests, everything put together - one crore.

Means, the technology was true, and it is taken away from the mass, that’s all. Otherwise, Brahmastra was there, everything was there. It was all clear technology. And one more thing, if the Mahabharata can be imagined by some brain, so systematically one lakh sok, slokas, couplets. Any of you have read that book? In original, one lakh couplets, still now that is the largest poem written on the planet earth. One lakh couplet, and it is very clear from first to last scene is one guy wrote because the language. The language flow. The slang which he is using. Only one guy wrote. If one fellow can write one lakh couplet in his life by imagining, he must be God, or little more than God. Try to write, try to see one movie script, and how these fellows are struggling and cheating and stealing from everywhere. One movie script. One lakh couplet when the brain was ⅓ as per the scientists; few thousand years ago, that’s what they say. It was ⅓. When the brain was ⅓ as per the scientists; one hundred thousand couplets; a single guy can imagined, such a thriller story. Still it is a thriller for me, understand. Still it is a thriller for me.

When I look at Mahabharata and Ramayana, still tears are in my, er, my eyes are watery. Still it is a thriller. The other day, err I was travelling in Chennai, maybe 3 months before. In Ramayana is being played in err one of the major channels. So much of publicity. Now, still after so many…(Swamiji laughing). I don’t know still, who doesn’t know Ramayana in Bharat? But, still that; it’s a thriller. So if somebody can compose, it can, it can, it’s never a, it’s not a lie. It happened, maybe I can say, poetically described. Tsskk.

Questioner no 2: So, er…I was told that the err… Mahabharata war was dotted between a clan of five brothers and one hundred…

Swamiji: Can you be a little louder? By…

Questioner no 2: Ermm…Between a 5 brothers...

Swamiji: Yes, yes, yes….5 brothers and 100 brothers. There was a fight for the land and the pride.

Questioner no 2: What cruelty this strife people were living err…

Swamiji: What?

Questioner no 2: Following the Vedic tradition.

Swamiji: No you see, understand. Vedic tradition does not mean everybody is enlightened. It gives the option for enligthenment. In the 100, the whole, it’s not that all these guys are enlightened. They were developed beings. All pilots are not enlightened. Same way, all the fellows who are able to handle that sound wave energy is not enlightened. Developed beings but not enlightened beings. Ramayana was war between, war for women. Er...Ramayana is a war for women. Er...you know Ramayana? You have heard Ramayana? No. It’s a Rama story. When a master initiates disciples, he makes the commitment, promise, you would have heard that, till you became me, the superconscious, the ultimate highest experience. I’ll continue to help you and guide you; be with you; whether you leave the body or I leave the body. When I make this commitment to, for example, two lakh people I made this commitment. So in the two lakh, all two lakh may not have become enlightened in next 100 years. So, some buffalos will be there. So, what to do? Even if I leave the body, I’ll be, I should be available for their call. So that kind of masters only will be in Shambhala - with that form, retaining. Others will just disappear into the cosmos. 21:05