“Q: I do not understand deep passive.”
Q: I do not understand deep passive. Could you please explain.
That's a most sad thing to happen to a woman. You understand? Most sad thing can happen to women is unable to understand the word deep passive. Passiveness in the very depth of your being. You understand? Even inside the deep space without restlessness. See, if you try to be passive, superficially you can be passive. Inside you'll be boling. “When will the session end? I can get out”. Even inside complete passiveness. Just life. Just life, without any outgoing, extrovertness, center of creation. You see, anything, first thought comes, then it is created. Even without that thought coming, just being there.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
Swamiji, great. Really woman's day today. Sanskrit words spoken (1:37). Goddess always--see, there is a beautiful Sutra. Wherever woman is worshipped, all the Devatas are pleased. Respected, hmm. God has always been woman for me. Maatru Bhava is easy to connect. It's easy to kill the man in me. If that is the prerequisite. Now i understand why Islamic terrorism is on the rise today. Bless them, they are the contributors for Rudra’s cause. (Swamiji laughs). Sitaram. (Swamiji gestures).
(Swamiji reading from paper)
You are asking, can you please explain how this is different from the female component creating and the male component of consciousness. Coming up with infrastructure. Female component being a center. You understand? Male component being a periphery.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
Swamiji, earlier you had mentioned that no person is 100% male or female. Only, he is either 49% male or 49% female. 51% of the other gender. Balancing both leads to Enlightenment. This morning you mentioned that awakening female consciousness is Enlightenment.
When you are awaking the female consciousness, only then you become balanced. The very balancing is female consciousness. Male consciousness will never be balancing. It'll be always aggressive. It'll be taking over. Always the male mind will be taking over. But the female consciousness will always be balancing.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
I'm wondering about the two aspects of female. Physical, beloved, extravert, materialistic, emotional, mother, introvert, caregiver. The materialist piece which goes with the physical extrovert aspect of the female does not fit with the concept of ultimate passivity. Could it be the physical extrovert aspect of creative force that’s born out of passivity.
Yes. One more thing Ma. Even in the, completely when you are beloved and extrovert, you will not be restless. You understand? At one center, beloved and mother will be one and the same and will be radiating pure romance like a Radha. Radha is not extrovert even though she is beloved. So, you will radiate a kind of a--always beloved doesn't need to be extrovert. The initial level it'll be extrovert. Not after that. After certain level, even if you radiate the beloved energy like Radha, you will not be extrovert. A matured--it's actually like a step by step Ma. In the initial level, even in the mother attitude, you will be extrovert. After a certain maturity, even in the beloved attitude, you will not be extrovert. It'll be introvert. Just for casual connection, I connected the extrovert word with the beloved attitude. But extrovert is not a complete quality of belovedness. You understand what I am saying. Hmm.
You see, the beloved aspect, the mother aspect. To give you more clarity on beloved aspect, I said extrovert or introvert. That does not mean, that extravert, introvert word is always connected to the beloved and mother. I only used few more words to give you more clarity. Definition. That's all. Otherwise even in the belovedness, if you get right, the extrovert will disappear. Radha is beloved energy only, but she is never extrovert. Radha is Krishna’s wife, Krishna’s beloved.
Radha means success, you are saying? No, the name Radha I don't know exactly what it. I don't think there is a separate Sanskrit meaning. …(5:38) any meaning for Radha? I never bothered to know the meaning of the word. Because she was never considered a success in the outer world. Maybe you can give that meaning. But bevoled does not mean extravert always. That's what I want you to know.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
Jnanatmananda, since expression of feminine consciousness is irrespective of gender, why is Manusmriti men are expected to build infrastructure not women.
It's like a why your legs are expected to use for walking, why not hand? Made for that? You understand. That's all. Legs are made for walking. Not hands. Same way, men are made for creating infrastructure. That's all. By its nature. But when it comes to consciousness it is not natural process. It is a strong Tapas. See, expressing femine consciousness means enlightenment. It is not natural. You are potentially carrying the feminine consciousness. But, creating infrastructure, by nature you are built for that. If a man works, he can become enlightened. If a woman works, she can become enlightened. But as natural body, she is created to radiate the femine consciousness and support men. Men are created to create infrastructure and support women. By nature this is the way, arrangement. But both can work and achieve either enlightenment or the opposite side. They can get into depression or they can get into enlightenment. They have freedom.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
We woke up to this morning, was a beautiful as the meditation.
Was it Suprabatham? That is actually a greeting, good morning song for me. Suprabatham means good morning song. Each deity will have one song to wake up. That song is the good morning for me. It's called Bhoopaala Raga. There is a special Raga. Early morning how the sun rises, they will sing in that same tone, they will sing. You can get the CD. It is available. Hmm. It's, I think, Morning Greetings, that is the name of the CD.
What's the difference between passiveness and acceptance?
Even acceptance has some negative connotations. Something will come and you'll accept. But in passiveness nothing will come. Nothing will come.
(The man Swamiji addressed at (5:38) speaks)
Radha is a Rasapoora. Rasaiohsaha. Rasaiosaha. So the embodiment of Rassa. Rasaiosaha. Radha.
SWAMIJI: so how the Rasaiohsaha Radha. So the embodiment of juice in everything Ma. In everything there is some juice. So she is the embodiment of that juice. See whatever you may be doing, end of the day, you will know something is juice of your life. You will want that. So she is the juice of the whole thing. Very beautiful, Rasaiosaha Radha. This Sandhi Samasa and all is God. If somebody learned Sanskrit with sincerity, he will become enlightened. Because all the concepts will lead you to enlightenment.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
How can learning happen with passiveness? Does that mean analytical side is not important?
Understand, if you are completely passive, anything which comes in front of you, the lesson needs to be learnt, will be digested. That's all. You will learn the lesson without doing post-mortem. Learning by doing post-mortem is active learning, which will always be half knowledge. Understand, after you kill the body, whatever knowledge you get is not complete. That is why Ayurveda does not have side effect. Because these medicines are created for living body. But all Allopathy medicines are created for dead body. You understand. The analysis and the whole things goes on dead body. But the Ayurvedic masters, they are intelligent enough to handle the whole thing, diagnose the whole things, when the person is alive. So the whole R\&D goes on living person. So with the deep passive consciousness, anything which comes in front of you, without getting killed or getting post-mortem done, you will learn the lessons. Deep passiveness, you will learn more lessons, strongly, than being active.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
Why women got going with the idea of trying to be equal to men?
Because man used women by putting this idea into their head. See, it's like the so-called developed civilizations, which has the media under its control. It goes on promoting that man should live like this. That is life, that is life, that is life. Hiding their deep depression. 66% psychiatric patients, huge cancer is inside their system. They are covering it and promoting all over the world. 600 billion dollars are used by the western civilization to promote about their civilization and their civilizational products to the third world countries. 600 billion dollars are used through the media, through all other ways to promote their lifestyle. The Big Apple. To the third world countries. Why? Only then--see, if they promote that lifestyle is the ultimate. They can never be equated by these guys. These guys will never become equal. How much ever these guys struggle and go up and go up and go up, they will be always ten steps low. So that is why 600 billion dollars are used to promote that lifestyle. Bharat is just bombarded. 600 billion dollars every year is used to promote that lifestyle which is resulting, 66% of depression. 66% of people in Europe and USA-- the developed countries, all developed countries take some form of psychiatric drug. Please understand, all developed countries put together, 66% population of developed countries, takes some form of psychiatric drug everyday. Once in 24 hours. So that lifestyle is left and right promoted. Using 600 billion dollar. So naturally, all others what to do?
See, unless you promote your lifestyle is best, how will you justify your depression? You need to justify your depression. Come on. 66% of your population is depressed. Why? So promote and have the feeling that this is the right lifestyle. And in a way it is a business also. Jeans, clothes, food, coke, everything. So it is business alos. So finally, people who are not living that lifestyle, they are craving, craving, craving. Craving for depression, nothing else. Same thing, men are very intelligent. To hide their depression, failure, they promote their lifestyle, left and right. The whole media is under their control. Aggressive. And women are made to feel that they have to be equal with that men. That's all. Otherwise, what right, this poor fellow has nothing. But this fellow goes on bragging, “See, I can do this, I can do this, I can do this”. Then they think, “Ah, let me also do”. Fight starts. That's why the whole fight starts. But finally, in this fight, men only is going to win. Whoever starts the fight will always be intelligent, and will take care that few weapons are reserved with him. You understand, any world war, any war, who starts will always win. Because he will prepare enough weapon and he will reserve few, which others don't have, which others will never get. Naturally, he is only going to win. Same way, this women trying to become equal to me, the problem is created by men. These guys, they have their own, some reserved weapons. If the fight goes on, these guys are going to win. Dropping out is the best way for you guys to win. Dropping out. Just dropping out and saying, “We declare our uniqueness”. Then they will win.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
Hearing and internalising deep passivity, the picture that comes in my mind’s eye is, respectfully, am I your mother? Gratitude for all those around you, through you.
Great, Sadashiva.
(Swamiji laughs)
(Swamiji reading from paper)
I feel that society is having too much influence on an individual's gender being. Have you heard of the Western term ‘tom boy’?
Means, I don't understand
(Swamiji continues reading from paper)
It is used to girls who behave boyish. Society also keeps insisting girls go to school, study hard, go to college, get a job. Nobody was there to teach us true females roles, spreading female consciousness. Im alos pondering, what if I work solely to stay as Ananda Samaji. Many thoughts are flowing. Please share your insights.
Just for that you don't have to work. If you take up the mission work, you will reach more people na. See, if you are feeling insecure, then continue to work. Just to be an Anada Samaji, you don't have to work. Then, if you take up the mission work, you will reach to more people.
(Girl addresses Swamiji)
So ever since last IA, I've been feeling like I don't want to work in the corporate world anymore. All I wanted to do was mission work. But if we do something like maybe, what Niranjananda is doing or something. Taking up like an active role, but working for the mission, is that still considered woman working in the society.
(Swamiji answers)
Yes. no, no, no. please understand, when you are not being pressured by feer, greed--your inspiration is realised--then, it is not working in society. Sometimes, in the Sangha I use the fear and greed to push you to the inspiration only. Not to keep that as a fuel forever. In society even inspiration is used to push you to fear and greed.
(Girl addresses Swamiji)
To keep making money. But, during the Yogam tour, I just really felt like I don’t want my job anymore, I just wanted to work for the mission. And that's where I felt…
(Swamiji answers)
You will have the answer soon.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
Yesterday’s meditation, especially the ironing part, let finally to surrender. Today’s deep passivity also seems to be surrender. Is this right?
Anuradha, right. Many people are in deep passivity but few are really sleepy. Many have really touched the deep passivity but few are sleepy. What to do.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
During the break I was in the femine energy mood like you asked us to be in. I noticed something, that I was very giving and forgiving.
(Swamiji answers)
That's wonderful. The smell of femine energy, femine consciousness. Hmm.
(Swamiji continues reading from paper)
I gave what someone asked for without even thinking. It's very unusual for me as I think many times before giving something. I also felt a little vulnerable. Little understanding or click that I could give anything, and it was little scary.
(Swamiji answers)
What you are talking about? I was in feminine mood, such a deep femine mood. Somebody came and asked for Kumbabishekam. Yesterday I was thinking I'll give 1 Lakh, today I gave 5 Lakh and came out. Just now. Yesterday I was thinking I'll give a Lakh of rupee. These guys are coming. And I don't know what happened, I was in some mood. They came and asked me, and I asked, “What is the budget?”. They said “5 Lakh we need, Swamiji”. I said “Have it. Ayya, give it”. And I came away. Your only feeling. Actually, the feminine mood, you will never be. See, the feminine mood, you are life. You don't need anything else. You just don't need anything else. Fortunately, they said 5 lakh is the budget. I don't know, otherwise, what budget they would have said, i don't know what I would have told or anything. Just they said and I did not even think twice. I just looked into Ayya’s eyes and said, “See, that everything is given”, and I came out. So, feminine energy is like that. You are life.
(Swamiji continues reading from paper)
I also felt a little vulnerable.
(Swamiji answers)
No, no. Don't feel vulnerable. You see, now I'm not feeling I am cheated. They did not cheat. The joy. See, the 5 Lakh giving, for that 5 Lakh I may have to work for few hours or few days or few months. That is worthy of that beautiful feeling that I am going through. You understand. That beautiful, that feminine consciousness which I am radiating. That is worthy of that few lakh, nothing wrong. What will I do, afterall? For that money, I will work for a few more days. Few more months. That's all. So it's ok. So don't feel vulnerable. If you feel vulnerable, you'll avoid this female consciousness. You will start putting boundary for this feminine consciousness. Whenever that mother energy comes inside you, you may say, “No, no, no, no, no. I may be vulnerable. I may start giving to people. I may be cheated”. No. Trust. Be vulnerable. Even if you are exploited. Nothing wrong. I gave, you think I'll be losing something? Nothing. It’ll go and it’ll come. It'll all be happening. But that consciousness which I enjoy, that feminine consciousness, that is something really solid. That's worthy of everything. That's worthy of everything.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
A little understanding or click that I could give anything, and it was little scary.
Don't be scared. It’s ok. What is there?
(Swamiji reading from paper)
Even a person like me feels like I can relate with what you said in Mathura Bhava. Maathrubhaava, not Mathura bhava, Maathrubhaava. He will grant anything people wants.
(Swamiji laughs and answers)
You understand. Morning it was not even, I was not doing anything. I just sat for two minutes and I said, “Let all these guys feel like Devi”. That's all. When you all sat. The two three seconds I felt like Devi. I went out and 5 lakh. (Swamiji laughs). Just the two, three second of Devi Bhava. It’s ok. Nothing wrong. But I don't feel like I'm cheated or anything. Hmm. I feel that consciousness. Arrey, whatever expresses through this body. That is responsible for all this wealth. So if some consciousness expresses and gives all this away, let it happen. That's all. See, whatever wealth you have, the mood which express through you is responsible. Am i right? The mood to work, the mood to think. All those things are responsible. If some mood comes and gives it way--who got, he gave. Over. you understand. Who got, he gave. See, I got all this wealth because of my femine consciousness expressing. So today the same consciousness expressing and it is giving. Over. There is no such thing as everyday it shouldn't happen. I tell you, everyday if it happens also, because of the power of the feminine consciousness, it'll bring whatever needs. And even if it doesn't bring, it's ok. I'm not bothered. If it brings, I'll enjoy. If it does not bring, I'll enjoy. Over. See that last final break of acceptance has to happen. Till that happens, you will continue to suffer. At one point that ice has to break. I'm breaking with hundred ideas. At one point it has to break. Till it breaks, nothing can be done. What I am telling now, I'm breaking everyday through so many angles. One day, I throw stone at you. One day, I throw some bottles. Some glasses. Sometime flowers. Sometime arrow. Sometime some weapon. Sometime a stone. Sometime a stick. Stometime knife. Something I am throwing. But, something has to hit you. And it has to break. No other way. It has to break.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
If women are expression of living enlightenment, can’t they lead as example in every walk of life?
I'm not saying women are example. Feminine consciousness is example. So live that feminine consciousness, then you will live enlightenment.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
It is not possible for women to be passive and career oriented.
There are careers, passive based careers. You can be. I can say, it'll not be career based, actually career oriented. It'll be like a living. It'll be like a living.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
Nurturing choicelessness, acceptance seems very femine passively. But at some point, intelligence through intuition, rather one influences course of events. Is it like the snake story, hiss but don't bite? If necessary femine henry is very strong. Almost a shock absorber. Active where necessary but patient. Is this understanding right?
Sadashiva. Right, actually. You are right. Actually even when you are strong, you will not be hurting. Even the hissing hurts, you see, frightens. You will not even do that. You will be strong. They will all know that boundary is cut. Now, nothing can be done.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
If oneness and apparent assertive, bubly, veral, outgoing personality as a woman, what is the place for this in the way you describe the feminine.
Understand, these qualities are not against the feminine. Feminine consciousness is totally different from the quality you express.sometime, you will be bubbly, sometime you will be passive. The problem is when you are bubbly, you think you are restless. When you are passive, you think you are depressed. Remove that idea. When you are passive, be passive. When you are bubbly, be bubbly. Over. There will be aspace, both will not touch inside. That is feminine consciousness. But you always put a wrong label for your life. When you are active and bubbly, you think, “Oh, I'm restless”. When you are really passive, “No, no. I think I'm really depressed”. That's where the problem starts.
You guys don't have to have the guilt about what I was telling day before yesterday. See, that is for the next time onwards. See, why I was telling that, plan you are not able to say, really you have to go. All those things are perfectly alright. What I was telling day before yesterday--unable to cope up with the program and running away. That kind of people only I was talking. There are some kind of people, Aparna and all, they have to leave because the school starts. That kind of reason, it’s perfectly alright. So next time onwards, i'm going to clearly scan this. So that people who are having this reason should not jump into that reason. See, people who have, they are not able to cope up with the class, they conveniently find out the reason. “Oh, my husband is running away, my wife is running away, myschool is running away”. So that confusion only. Nothing else.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
When you say passive life equivalent to feminine consciousness, I can understand passive part. But is not life equal to energy?
Energy is passiveness. Understand, intense passiveness is energy. If it keeps moving, something is empty, something is lacking. That is why. It has a space to move. That itself shows, it is not full. If there is a space to move, how can it be full. Sagath Shakti, hmm. Passive life. See it is full. Packed. Life. See, the moment you have the imagination moving, it's not complete. So you have ideas about the energy like an electricity. You understand. But the energy that I am talking is intelligence, shining, no moving. (Man speaks with Swamiji)
So you are equating energy with consciousness. Energy is equated with consciousness?
(Swamiji answers by nodding)
Same word, different meaning. That's why this problem.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
Does expressing femnine energy necessarily include nurturing in the form of having family, husband, kids?
I can say, in the Vedic marriage, there is a mantra--let your husband become your 11th kid. By the 11th year, you are supposed to become mother for him. You are, I can say, fulfilling the feminine consciousness.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
In Vedic culture how were women treated when they were married versus when they were single?
Married women also, highly, they were the head Ma. Practically. In the Vedic tradition, to run the family. They were the center pin. And power center. When they were single, naturally, Sanyasinis. Highly respected. Regarded.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
How will it work in today's culture, where making women career oriented is way of life and where there is no support system. Women is not married and not educated for a career.
I'll create Monasteries. I'll create Monasteries. That is the only way.
(Swamiji reading from paper)
Is being shy a passive feminine quality?
No. being shy is egoistic and arrogant. Who put the question? Yes. Being shy is not a feminine quality, Ma. Life.
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