“I will start with a small story - Father after giving his inspiring…”
I will start with a small story - Father after giving his inspiring Sermon about charity. Through his very Sermon about charity, in the end of his Sermon he sends his hat for donations. Hat moves from hand to hand to hand, hand to hand, hand to hand, comes back empty as it was sent. He took the hat and prayed - Oh God, my hat came back! (audience laughing). God is not for sale, and is today’s subject. He can never be sold, but he can be purchased. He can never be sold but he can be purchased. That is a paradox. Let me analyze how he can never be sold, but how he can be purchased. Let me start with a small story from ancient Hindu mythology. There is a story - once the fight between the Creator and Sustainer started. The greatest Creator is Brahma and Sustainer is Vishnu. The fight started between these two. Creator started claiming - I am the great, I am the great one because I create. Sustainer started claiming - no no, I am the greatest person because I sustain. The fight started between the creator and sustainer. Of course, there is nobody who can solve the fight except Shiva. So Shiva has to appear to give the judgement. Shiva appeared in such a big form. Neither the head of Shiva was seen nor feet. He stood like a light shaft whose head and feet couldn’t be seen. Shiva declared if any one of you can find either my head or my feet - we can declare that he is the great person. So, the creator Brahma started going up. He took the form of a swan and started flying, flying, flying, flying, flying to find out the head where it starts and the sustainer Vishnu, he took a form of pig and started digging the ground to find out where the feet is. Both of them started their journey. This guy is flying and he is digging. The Vishnu - sustainer went, went - he travelled, travelled, travelled years after years and yugas after yugas. Yuga means you can’t count. He travelled, travelled, travelled. Finally, he understood - it is simply impossible to see the feet of Shiva, so better let us surrender our ego. He understood to surrender the ego. He came back and told Shiva - Oh Shiva please forgive me, I understood, I am not that great to see your feet. I will accept I am defeated. Please forgive me. Let me surrender. Then Shiva says - alright, you have accepted you can’t. That itself is a great thing. Relax. He blesses him and gives him his blessings and sends him back.
But, this Brahma, he was never..he was not ready to accept, he is not ready to accept. His ego never understood, he can not see the head of Shiva. He started flying, flying, flying, flying - yugas after yugas but, he was not able to find the top of the head. Not only he was not able to find, but his ego is not ready to accept that he is not able to find. Finally he saw a flower in between when he was flying he saw a flower suddenly. He asked the flower - you are coming from where? The flower said Oh! I fell from Shiva’s ears. I am coming down to planet Earth. Not from head - from ears! I fell from Shiva’s ears. I am coming down. Then Brahma asked - how long you are travelling to come down? Oh! Four ages of Brahma. (Laugh). Four Brahma’s ages. Brahma had the shock of his life. If my age is 100 years, it takes 400 years for the flower to travel from the ears of Shiva - not even from the head. He understood - he can not go on to see the Shiva’s head. But somehow, he wants to prove that he won the game. He is able to. So he asked the flower - can he give me the witness that I only brought you down? Wrong witness. Can you tell me? can you just (-- 7:27) a small para, when I go back, you just tell Shiva - I only brought you down from his ears. Flower said - what is there? After all just one statement, a small favor for Brahma. He may do some other favor for me. Anyway, the flower said - alright. They both went down. Brahma said I saw your head. This flower is the (-- 7:57), which you were having in your head. As if Shiva doesn’t know. This fool thought he can cheat Shiva. But Shiva immediately said - not only you brought the flower from the ears and you didn’t bring, it came by itself. Shiva told the truth and punished him. You will not have temples any more on the planet Earth. You will never be worshiped any more. You will not have any worship and this flower will never be worshiped for my puja. This flower will never be used any more for my puja. He cursed the flower and he cursed Brahma both.
But, one thing is true - the story is carrying a beautiful truth. A wonderful truth is expressed in this story. See, let us analyze what is mythology? Whenever a metaphysical truth is expressed through a physical story, it becomes mythology. For example, when you experience through Sahastrara Chakra - the Crown Center - it feels like a thousand petal lotus - from it such an ecstasy happens to you. Then the person who realize the enlighten master he says - Oh Sahstrara is like a thousand petal lotus. The disciple who doesn’t knows some he says - Oh in the head there is thousand petal lotus. Master says about experience, disciple understands as a physical object. Whenever the metaphysical experiences are reduced to a physical example, it becomes mythology. It becomes mythology.
So, there is an experience - when you express it as an example, it is understood as a mythology. Master expresses in a different way, the disciple understands it in a different way. When a master expresses - it is metaphysical truth. When a disciple understands, it is a physical example. So, a metaphysical truth is reduced to a physical example - it becomes mythology. Otherwise, even the metaphysical stories have got their own importance. All metaphysical stories carry some truth in them. The problem is - the master expresses in one language, the disciple understands it with the other language. There starts the problem.
A small story - one middle aged lady is trying to fit herself in a new fur coat. She is trying it in front of the mirror and sees how the new fur coat looks. Her kid - a child was standing near her. The kid started telling - mom! Don’t you feel how much the poor dumb animal has to suffer for you to have this coat. Mom just turned. What? How dare you talk like this about your father? She says about the animal, the kid is talking about the animal and mom is understanding it is the father. Because the father has to pay money. She is talking about the animal which is supposed to give her fur. She understands about the animal who is supposed to give money. Anyhow, the master expresses in one way, disciple understands it the other way. There are few people who have not even understood. Who missed the story.
Whenever the metaphysical truth is expressed, anybody who understood in a physical terms, in physical way - it becomes mythological story. So, this story carries a wonderful metaphysical meaning. It has got beautiful truth behind it. Let us explore the story. That will give wonderful understanding about God and how they try to get him and how they miss him. First thing, Vishnu - the sustainer is the representative of wealth. The wife of Vishnu is Lakshmi - Goddess of wealth and wife of Brahma-Creator is God of knowledge and wife of the..wife of Brahma is the Goddess of knowledge. So the creator is represented as the embodiment of knowledge. Sustainer is represented as the embodiment of wealth. The creator starts flying. Creator is the knowledge. He starts searching the head. He starts searching through head and the sustainer - the guy who is the representative of wealth, he starts searching through going deep into the pleasures. You can not find God deep in the pleasures or in the height of knowledge. Neither the height of knowledge, nor the depth of the pleasure can reveal God.
This is the first truth. Neither pleasure, nor knowledge, neither your intellect, nor your money can reveal God. This is the first truth explained through this story. How much you go deep, and deep, and deeper into the pleasures, you can not experience God. How much you fly in intellect - such read this book, read that book, read,read, read, read, read - you can not experience God. The first truth which we need to understand from the story is - neither pleasure, nor intellect can show you the God. Next, going up and going down. The creator started going up. Going up means “Rajasik attitude”. Rajasa means - continuous activity. Going up means continuous activity - workaholic ness! Neither workaholic, nor inert person, going down means inert. Neither a workaholic nor totally an inert person can find God. Neither alcoholic, nor inert person can find God.
Next thing - an important thing. If you try to reach the ultimate, if you try to reach the ultimate bliss, if you try to touch the eternal bliss through the outwardly pleasures, through the wealth again, and again, and again if you try, at one point at least you will understand - you have not achieved. You have not achieved. That is why the story says - Vishnu who tried again, and again, and again through wealth - sustainer, he realized - he will not be able to reach. When you travel in the path of wealth, at least you will understand at some point, it is not going to show. It is not going to earn. It is not going to really show the ultimate. At one point you realize that the truth can not be reached by simple ordinary wealth. Pleasure can not lead to bliss. Pleasure is pleasure. It can never lead to bliss. The Visnu who is the embodiment of wealth - he realizes it , and comes back and surrenders - Oh lord! I am not able to, I am not able to. If you travel through wealth, at least at some point you understand - you have not realized. But, the other path - travelling through intellect is the dangerous path. Not only The Brahma did not understand, and he wants to hide. He feels he has understood. Not only he has not understood, just he wants to show - he has understood.
When you travel through intellect, when you travel through empty knowledge, when you travel through just informations trying to reach the ultimate, not only you won’t achieve, your ego will become so big - you will not even want to understand, want to accept the truth that you will not be able to achieve. With money, you will understand - I won’t be able to achieve the ultimate bliss. With intellect you don’t even want to accept that you have not achieved. At least the Vishnu-sustainer accepted - I have not achieved. But the creator- the man who has (-- 18:58) who have knowledge - not only he has not achieved, he doesn’t want to show, he doesn’t want to prove that he has not achieved, because he has too much false ego. So whenever you work through your intellect, your ego - not only you miss, you do not want to show, you do not want to accept - you missed it. You don’t want to accept you missed it. It is the most dangerous thing. It is the most dangerous thing. I always tell people - the people who travel through the path of pleasure, at least at some point they understand. But, the people who travel through the path of intellect, they never understand that they have not experienced.
Intellect - you are in such a deep feeling of addiction. Actually, you are a bit addicted to intellectual readings. After sometime, reading intellectual analysis becomes an addiction. It is almost like a drug addiction. At Least with drug addiction, you know you are addicted. In the case of intellectual addiction, you will not even know you are addicted. Continuously gathering information - gathering, gathering, gathering, collecting information makes you feel great. And especially if you get a few fools to listen to your words, you feel really you have become great! That's the biggest problem. According to me - the one and only problem realizing God is - intellect. Because if you travel through wealth and pleasure, naturally you will realize - you will not be able to achieve. But if you travel through the intellect, there is no point in which you become tired. Because it is such a tasty thing, you feel almost addicted. You will not even know you are addicted. You will not even know you are addicted. You will be addicted without your knowledge - you are addicted.
That is the part of intellect. You will be continuously accumulating informations. Informations (-- 21:37). You may become a congress library but never an enlightened man. Surely congress library is not enlightened. No library can become enlightened. If you make your mind, if you make your head just as a library - you can never become enlightened. We make our heads only as a library. (-- 22:04) - no more, no more, no more information. And we know, we learn how to process the information. After sometime, we start giving lectures. We start delivering the information. Just collecting the information or processing the information or deliberating the information - can not take you towards enlightenment. After sometimes, you start feeling - now it is too late to declare “I am not enlightened”. Now it is too late to declare - “I have not achieved”. Now it is too late to understand - “I have not achieved anything” because, too much of things I invested.., too many things are invested in your intellectual knowledge. If you lose your wealth, you may not feel that it is something like a sin. But, if you lose your head it is something like a sin. Ego based on wealth is much simple than ego based on intellectual knowledge. Ego based on intellectual knowledge is too deep and too cunning. Ego based on intellectual knowledge is too cunning. Understand, I always tell people - the more information you gather, more your head becomes heavy. The more it becomes heavy, more it starts aching. The more the head migrate, more the head ache. So when you fly your head with informations, when you fill your head with informations - if your head becomes heavy, naturally, not only you don’t find God, you wanted to prove you find God.
This Brahma-Creator brought the flower as the witness, as a lie- witness, not eye-witness, lie witness - to prove his words. The same way, the people who travel through intellect, not only they don’t realize, they bring some lie witnesses. Their discourses, their intellectual expressions or the lie witnesses to prove. They try to prove through their discourses as if they are realized. The flower is their discourses. You can see all over the globe, so much of talking is going on over spirituality. People come and ask me - Swamiji! In every field there is a little bit of confusion. If it is history, geography or science, mathematics, there is little bit, but not like in spirituality. In the field of spirituality - total confusion. Every person says different things. Why? Why so much of the confusion in the field of spirituality? In other fields, so much of confusion does not exist. Why, there is so much of confusion in the field of spirituality? If you have travelled through intellect, not only you don’t understand it is too much to understand that you are not realized. People ask me why so much of confusion in the spiritual field? In other fields, there is not so much of confusion? But only in the spiritual field, so much of confusion. Everybody declares different kinds of statements. Everybody says different kinds of things. Why? The reason for so much of confusion is the people who travel in the path of intellect, who have not realized but brought the lie-witnesses, brought the flowers down from here, from here, from here, from there to prove that they have seen the ultimate, that they have realized the ultimate. The Brahmas were not realized, the creators were not realized, but claimed they were realized or the creators of so many difficulties and complications in spiritual field.
(27:06) The people who are not realized but started teaching are the people who are the root cause for all the difficulties and problems in the spiritual line. They are the people who created all the complications and conflicts in the spiritual field. So be very clear, it is the path in which you travel. It is the depth in which you travel - whether the depth or the height. Whether you travel through the pleasure or through the money, or through the intellect - both are not going to give God. God is not for sale through the both paths. Either you try to.. If you try to achieve Eternal Bliss, Eternity or God through pleasure or through the intellect - you will end up only understanding that you can not achieve. Then what is the way? One more thing - trying to achieve, trying to realize through these two ways - in the initial level itself you can understand if you are a little bit intelligent. If you are a little bit intelligent. From the initial level, from the beginning level itself you can understand - you can not achieve. You can not achieve, because the more the pleasure, more your senses become dull. More it becomes insensitive. More it becomes insensitive. The very beginning will show you clearly - it can never show the reality. It can never give you the clarity. Again, in the intellect, the path of intellect - most of the things are assumptions. Most of the things are assumptions. If you are logically logical - you will never be logical. If you are logically logical - you will never be logical. If you understand the logic logically, you will understand - nothing is logical on the planet Earth. Whole life is paradoxical - not logical. So, a little bit insight into the logic will make you understand, nothing is logical on the planet Earth. Nothing is logical in the Universe.
(30:22) No logic is logical. No logic is logically logical in the universe. Whether through pleasure or through intellect. God can not be achieved. If he can be achieved, already we would have made a shop for him. We would have sold him in a deal sale. We would have started giving discount. We know how to do it - buy one, get one free. We would have made everything. But the thing - he can not be achieved. He can not be sold. I made one more statement in the beginning - “he can not be sold, but, he can be purchased”. Let me explain - how he can be purchased? You see - if he can’t be purchased, then how to achieve? There must be some path to achieve! When I say he can’t be sold, nobody can say when I say he can be purchased - you can purchase him. You can directly achieve - not from anybody, directly from himself. When you save yourself, you can purchase him. When you save yourself, you can purchase him. Not to anybody, just to him.
(32:00) There is a beautiful shloka in the Bhagvad Kand - when you give what you have - the I and mine at his feet, he gives what he has - his I and mine. What is your I - tell me? Your I is nothing but your ego, which continuously gives you some migrain. Suffering, nothing but suffering, suffering, suffering, nothing but suffering. I ask people once in a while.. Actually, there was one person who questioned me - Swamiji! Should I renounce to achieve God? I asked him what worthy thing you have in your life - tell me that you want to renounce. First tell me what worthy thing you have? Then you can go for renunciation. First look little deep into your life - do you have anything which is worthy. Look into your life. Have we had any experience? Any great experience? Any great moment of your life for which you want to continue your life. Can anyone, If you tell me - I had some experience at the age of 20 Swamiji! I think that experience may repeat. That is the reason I want to live in the body. No! If you analyze your life overall - nothing but wounds and sufferings. Somewhere the gap between wounds and sufferings, you also call it as pleasure. The gap between two wars can not be called as peace. It can be only called as preparation for the next war. Same way, the gap between two sufferings, can not be called as pleasure. It can be only called as preparing for the next suffering. So, if you see your whole life - it is nothing but wounds, nothing but suffering, nothing but pain, nothing but fear.
(34:25) Then what worthy thing is there to renounce. It is your idea, that you have something worthy - that starts the whole trouble. Next you start bothering about how to renounce. Third, you say I am not able to renounce. But the root itself is wrong. The root you have something worthy itself is wrong. I always tell people - you don’t need to renounce anything. Understand the worth of the things which you have, that is more than enough. I don’t tell you to renounce. There is no need to renounce, because your things are not worthy of renouncing. The things which you have is not even worth renouncing. If they are worth renouncing, then you can talk about whether to renounce or not. Forget about it. They are not even worth renouncing. If there is something worth, is solid, then it is worth renouncing. They are not even worth renouncing.
(35:25) People ask me - Swamiji, Should I give up all my worldly pleasures to reach divine pleasures? I tell them what you call as worldly pleasures, they are not even worth renouncing! Have it. The moment you start thinking they are worthy, only then you start bothering - should I have it or should I renounce it? Just look little deep inside and understand whether they are worthy or not. That is more than enough. There is no need to even bother about renunciation. Just understand how much they are worthy. That is more than enough. Your very idea that they are worthy is not worthy. Whatever you think as pleasure - they are not even worth renouncing. All your I is nothing but a simple ego which gives you continuance disturbance, torture, headache, insecure feeling, fear. That is what is your ego. And, what is your mind? I means ego, mine means property. What are they? Maximum you may have few bungalows, few little bit of bank balance, few cars! This I and this mine - if you can surrender these two to the existence, to the life energy, to the life force, to the universal energy - you will see the universal energy gives his ‘I and mine’ to you. When you give your ‘I and mine’ to the God, God gives his I and his mine. You may ask - how to give?What is the way to give? Just drop the idea you possess it, just drop the idea you possess it! You are having it! When I say drop the idea you are possessing it - if you are having it, I don’t even say give it to somebody else. I am not telling you to give it away physically, because they are not worth renouncing. They are not even worthy of renouncing.
(37:59) Just drop the notion, drop the idea - you’re possessing it, it is yours - drop the idea. People ask me - swamiji how to renounce? I tell them - to renounce what you don't have that itself is more than enough. There are a thousand one things which you don't have or you are having it in your mind, you're having it in your head! In reality you don't have, but in your mind you have. Renounce the things which you don’t have, that is more than enough. Not what you have. If you just renounce the thing you don’t have that itself is a great thing. Just renounce the notion, renounce the idea - you have this, you have that, you have that. I have seen just the other day one devotee came to Bharat. He came and stayed in the ashram and after one hour he started talking “Swamiji, this place is so beautiful, I wanted to purchase few acres of land next to your ashram and start building my own house”. I told him, “fool, your mind, see how your mind is postponing the joy, you can enjoy anything only when it is yours legally on the paper. Can’t you enjoy now? The sunrise and the beautiful garden and the forest and the atmosphere and the silence? Your mind says you can enjoy only if you have a house here. By the time you work and purchase a house here, the mental set up of enjoying it will lost. You’ll take it for granted. Are you enjoying your house? He said “no Swamiji” that is why you came here. Now if you want to make one more house here what are you doing? What are you doing again? You are creating a place where you are not going to enjoy. The idea, if you possess only then it is yours. If it is yours only then you will enjoy. Drop that idea. That is what I say. Drop the idea of I and mine. I have seen the people that can enjoy only if it is theirs. They cannot enjoy the beautiful surrounding. If they go to montrain area, they will start thinking about how to purchase a cottage here. “Let me start the time sharing cottage”. Let me try to get a time sharing cottage. They will try to make things only theirs, they will never enjoy. The man who runs to make more and more things as his, will never enjoy anything as his. The more mine, less joy. The more possession, less enjoyment. The man who possesses more, he can choose between suffering. Understand - he has got the freedom to choose between suffering, but not between joy and suffering. He has got the full freedom to choose between this suffering and that suffering. He has got the choice whether he can live in his Island house or in a mountaineer house. He has got the choice between the two sufferings, but not between joy and the suffering. As long as you have the idea ‘I and mine’, you will be selling your eyes to purchase drawings. You will be selling your eyes to purchase paintings. You will be selling your legs to learn dancing. You will be selling your body to get comforts. You will be selling your sleep to purchase a bed. You will be continuously only selling your life to purchase the comforts. Anyhow, when you drop this idea ‘I and mine’ (video skips) Sutra in Kato Upanishad. The Upanishad says if you do the ritual unknown if you do a ritual unknown means in the homa youre supposed to give away all your properties. If you do the ritual and give away all your properties, you will reach the highest state in the heaven. One guy read this line and started doing that ritual To achieve the hightest state in the heaven. See how people misunderstand the concepts. Naturally, when you try to do some - when you try to give some donation for the sake of achieving something, you make business deal. Nautrally, you make a business deal. You start thinking - how less I can give and how much I can get. This guy also started thinking in a business way. If the ritual says you are supposed to give food, he started giving in a cup- small cup food for everyone. The ritual says you should give clothes, he started giving handkerchiefs. If the ritual says you should give cows, he started giving the old cows which is not useful, which supposed to be sent for the slaugher house. He started donating that type of cows.
# The original meaning of the sutra is, if you renounce the idea of possessing few things, you will start feeling homely and comfortable with the whole universe. If you renounce the idea of possessing one few things, you will start feeling comfortable and you will start feeling homely with the whole universe.
# A man who has renounced one home will feel homely in the whole world. The man who has renounced few so-called possessive relationships will feel related to the whole world. It's the ultimate teaching. It's the ultimate understanding, what this guy tried to practice in a very crude way. Naturally, he will not achieve anything. When you really renounce the ‘I and mine’ with an understanding, the Divine showers His I and Mine on you. There is one great Saint he says towards the Lord “oh Lord I have given my I and Mine to you, you gave your I and Mine to me. Understand who is the winner? I am only the winner, I am the intelligent guy. My ‘I and mine’ is nothing but suffering, but yours is nothing but bliss. I just gave suffering and got the bliss. I am the winner, not you. I am the best business man.
# He says I purchased you by paying my ego. I purchased you by paying my ego. You can purchase Him by paying your ego. You can have him by paying your ego. But all our relationship with God is more or less like a business. We try to make only business deals from him. God is more or less like a business for us, He is not an Existential experience.
# A small story. One guy was travelling with his colleagues in a boat. Suddenly, a heavy cyclone attacked the ocean and boat started shaking this side, that side. This, too much they’re going to die. They're going to get drowned in the ocean. This guy started shouting, “oh god please save us. If you save us we will stop smoking.” God did not listen, nothing happened. Next guy started shouting, “oh God, please save us if you save us we will stop drinking.” Nothing happened, God did not listen. Third guy shouted, “oh god save us please save us, if you save us we will stop womanizing.” And the third guy shouts, “hey don’t go to that extent, wait, wait, a small island is seen.” All our relationship with God is only business. When you want you want him, otherwise, you don’t want Him. All our relationship with God is just a business. Of course, no business deal can work with God. No business deal can help to get Him in your life. Only when you lose yourself.
# When I, I even don’t want to use the word lose because there is nothing to lose. There is nothing to lose but your suffering. Analyze your life and understand what is your life. Automatically you will have the courage to lose. Just understand the power, understand the - your ego. What it has given you and what it is worthy of. Naturally, you will see, you will drop it. You will. People come and tell me. “Swamiji I know my ego is giving me lot of suffering. All my pain, all my suffering is due to my ego. But I am not able to drop, why Swamiji?” Please be very clear, it means you have not understood. Do you say, “I know my hand is burning with the fire. Swamiji, I am not able to drop the fire”? No. The moment fire burns you, you drop it. Same way, if you really understand it hurts, it disturbs, it gives you suffering you will drop. If you are not able to drop, be very clear you are not able to understand. Work to understand, that is more than enough.
# When you drop your ego, when you lose your ego, when you surrender your ego, you can purchase him. You can possess him. I think instead of the word you can possess Him, He will possess you. He will possess you. When you drop your ego, when you drop as you are, you will be possessed by Him. When you drop your egoistic being you will naturally see you will be possessed by Universal being. Ego-centicness is eccentricness. If you are egocentric you are eccentric, when you drop you will naturally fall into the center which is the center of the whole universe.
# Understand, you cannot purchase Him. You cannot, God cannot be sold. When you drop your being, He will possess your being. God cannot be sold. But, can be achieved. You can achieve Him by giving your whole being, by surrendering your whole being. And one more thing, even if you achieve Him by surrendering your whole being, it is not a sales deal, it is a pure gift from Him.
# For example, you purchase a lottery, paying one dollar and acheive 100 million dollar. Can you say the 100 million dollar has been achieved by you? No, it is a pure gift. So even if you give your whole ego and achieve the Divine experience of the God Consciousness you cannot call it a deal. It is only a gift. It is a pure gift from Him. So let you surrender your being and experience the eternal bliss God consciousness, Diving, Nithyananda, thank you.
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